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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Umm.. we were talking about waitresses, but amusing that you would get the two mixed up. And kinda proves my point for me, doesn't it.

    You said waitresses are selling what's on the menu. No, they are not. They are selling themselves for physical labor. Waitresses get paid the same regardless of what people order. They are selling themselves to their employer.
    Actually I would argue that a waitress is selling themeselves to the customers since they live on tips.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post

    There is no risk in the above jobs that you will procreate, get HIV, etc. If you develop relationships in those jobs that result in such risks that's "outside" the job stuff.

    Winston do you think being a whore is exactly the same as being a girlfriend, a waitress, a computer programmer as Riv suggests?
    I never said the JOBS were exactly the same. Obviously being a cop is different than being a fireman. What I DID state was the same is the FACT that in EVERY SINGLE JOB you are 'selling yourself'. If you consider prostitution to be 'selling yourself', then it logically follows that one is selling themselves in ANY profession and thus makes said 'point' a moot point.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Umm.. we were talking about waitresses, but amusing that you would get the two mixed up. And kinda proves my point for me, doesn't it.

    You said waitresses are selling what's on the menu. No, they are not. They are selling themselves for physical labor. Waitresses get paid the same regardless of what people order. They are selling themselves to their employer.
    Give me a break. Waitresses are offering up what's on the menu. You look at the menu and the waitress takes your order and brings you the food. Quite different from an illicit arrangement where some perv gives her money at which point she disrobes and acts why he bangs her for a buck. It's freaking ridiculous to compare the two. As far as I'm concerned if your defense for whoring is that it's just like being a waitress or a girlfriend or a wife then you've got no defense at all.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

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    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    I never said the JOBS were exactly the same. Obviously being a cop is different than being a fireman. What I DID state was the same is the FACT that in EVERY SINGLE JOB you are 'selling yourself'. If you consider prostitution to be 'selling yourself', then it logically follows that one is selling themselves in ANY profession and thus makes said 'point' a moot point.
    I ditto that.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Actually I would argue that a waitress is selling themeselves to the customers since they live on tips.
    Some make tips, some do not. I've worked waitressing jobs where you did not make tips.

    Regardless, their WAGE is the same no matter what food is ordered. They are employed by the owner of the restaurant they work for. They have sold their bodies to their employer to be used as serving wenches for customers.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Are female customers "janes" like men are "johns" ?


    Serious question.
    Can anyone answer this?
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Yeah selling the right for some stranger to penetrate you is exactly the same as bringing someone a freaking hamburger.

    I guess you guys won this one. Fantastic debating. Intellectual dishonesty is the best way to end a debate.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Give me a break. Waitresses are offering up what's on the menu. You look at the menu and the waitress takes your order and brings you the food. Quite different from an illicit arrangement where some perv gives her money at which point she disrobes and acts why he bangs her for a buck. It's freaking ridiculous to compare the two. As far as I'm concerned if your defense for whoring is that it's just like being a waitress or a girlfriend or a wife then you've got no defense at all.
    She's being paid to bring someone food. She's paid by her employer to bring someone food. To dress in a specific manner - dictated by her employer, behave in a specific manner - dictated by her employer, come to work at a specific time and work specific hours - dictated by her employer. Some asshole pervs come into the restaurant and demand that she bring them whatever they want, and no matter how much she hates them, how disgusting she thinks they are... she MUST smile, put on an act, pretend to be some cheery sweetheart, bow to their whims and rush back and forth at their beck and call (using her legs, arms, hands, and mouth - to talk and smile). And you want to sit there and try and tell me that she's not selling herself? That she's not selling the use of her body? Seriously?

    They aren't offering what's on the menu. They're offering themselves to SERVE what's on the menu.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Can anyone answer this?
    No, I never heard any terms tossed around for female customers.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah selling the right for some stranger to penetrate you is exactly the same as bringing someone a freaking hamburger.

    I guess you guys won this one. Fantastic debating. Intellectual dishonesty is the best way to end a debate.
    Wow, this thread is still going strong! Talloullou, could you PM those links you posted? I want to get a look at them, but don't want to wade through 30+ pages of posts to find them.

    As to the waitress - prostitute comparison, obviously the particulars of the job are different. As Rivrrat said, the particulars of any two jobs are different. But the fact is a prostitute is selling a service just like any other worker. Yes that service involves her body, but our bodies are involved in any possible profession. I don't know of a single job where you can do absolutely nothing and get paid for it. In those very general terms there is absolutely no difference between prostitution and any other job. Other than the service provided, tell me what the difference is between a prostitute and any other service worker. The particulars are objectionable to many people, but the general concept of using your body to perform a service for another person in exchange for money is the foundation of almost all labor and service employment.

    Now I will readily admit the prostitute's service is an intimate one, or at least a vast majority of people would consider it a deeply intimate and personal act. However, if the prostitute doesn't have a problem with it, who are we to say otherwise? The argument for prostitution is pretty simple in my mind.

    1) The prostitute is a consenting adult who chose that profession.
    2) The customer is a willing client who desires the prostitute's services.
    3) They agree on a price for said services.
    4) No one is harmed by this exchange.

    Where is the justification for making it illegal? For those supporting a legal ban on prostitution tell me how you or society are harmed by an act of legal prostitution. Morality is irrelevant in my mind. Potential side affects like human trafficing are unfortunate, but can be dealt with without banning prostitution. Plenty of industries drive up demand for cheap illegal labor, but we don't propose banning them to combat illegal immigration. Talloullou, you haven't responded to this comparison and told me how the prostitution/trafficing link is different than the cheap labor/illegal immigration link and why it warrants such draconian measures.
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