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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Explain the importance behind going to a stranger and paying for sex in an environment where you don't even know if the sex worker is in the position voluntarily or not.

    What is the significance in being able to screw a woman for money?
    I don't honestly see how two people who are not intimately involved can have "great" sex. Maybe if you're on drugs or drunk, but guys might have a problem. I'd say it might be mediocre at best. All this "great" sex with strangers is Movieland and TV-land, not realityland, otherwise there'd be no need for any relationships whatsoever, no need for marriage, either, unless you just want a contract. Marriage has evolved into a relationship deal because people started to realize that when they actually had a deeper commitment for a person it made for great sex.

    Riverrat said it doesn't have to be intimate. I've had sex countless times when it wasn't intimate. In most cases, it is NOT intimate. It's just sex. If I WANT it to be intimate, then it is. If I don't, then it isn't. Just like watching a movie on the couch. It CAN be intimate, but certainly doesn't have to be.
    This makes sex seem so ordinary to me, and in reality, after a long time it is. Seems like it's a sporting event in the world arena now a days.

    Just figure what it would have been like years ago (before birth control) if it were so everyday for the world. Noone would probably have siblings, unless you were a twin. There'd be very few full siblings. There'd be very little monogamy. I think the world would probably end up dying out cause everybody would burn out on sex. Seems that way to me. When you stay monogamous you have to be much more creative and start to look at a spouse in many different ways. You might have to see their beauty in the things they do for you that aren't sexual.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why do we need to model our policies after another country? I think we're quite capable of figuring it out on our own.
    bwahahaha. Yeah, and we should stick our head in the sand and not even look at all the other nations that have legalized prostitution in the past decade?

    Wonder why we'd want to do that?

    Oh yeah....'cause they're a mess.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    This makes sex seem so ordinary to me, and in reality, after a long time it is. Seems like it's a sporting event in the world arena now a days.

    Just figure what it would have been like years ago (before birth control) if it were so everyday for the world. Noone would probably have siblings, unless you were a twin. There'd be very few full siblings. There'd be very little monogamy. I think the world would probably end up dying out cause everybody would burn out on sex. Seems that way to me. When you stay monogamous you have to be much more creative and start to look at a spouse in many different ways. You might have to see their beauty in the things they do for you that aren't sexual.
    Monogamy is very uncommon in, say, chimpanzees. They don't get "burned out" on sex. Personally, I'd rather have lots of half-siblings than be stuck with full ones. That way, I'd be able to easily cut off my connection to relatives that screw up their lives while interacting with the most successful and interesting (to me) of my many relatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    bwahahaha. Yeah, and we should stick our head in the sand and not even look at all the other nations that have legalized prostitution in the past decade?

    Wonder why we'd want to do that?

    Oh yeah....'cause they're a mess.
    The Netherlands and Austria seem like they're getting along pretty well despite the horrific devastation of their moral systems...

    Huh. Maybe God's just waiting a couple more years to smite them with AIDS or somesuch.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Tel Aviv police are searching for Jacky Yazady, suspected of heading Israel's largest women trafficking network, following a crackdown on what they say is Israel's largest human-trafficking ring, allegedly responsible for smuggling thousands of women from the former Soviet Union into Israel, as well as Cyprus, Belgium and England, and forcing them into prostitution.

    Police have asked for the public's help in locating Yazady and his son, Golan, who is allegedly also involved in the human trafficking network.

    At the end of a two-year international investigation, 12 Israelis were arrested Sunday along with over 20 suspects in several other countries. The suspected ringleader is Rami Saban, 35, of Moshav Magadim in the north, who was previously under investigation for alleged involvement in bringing hired killers from Belarus to assassinate leading Israeli underworld figure Nissim Alperon.
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    Police say the women were forced to work as prostitutes, and any who sought to escape or inform the authorities suffered vicious reprisals. The gang allegedly even arranged a fatal hit-and-run accident in Uzbekistan a few months ago, involving a woman who did escape.
    Did legal prostitution make these women safer??

    "The suspects essentially went on a shopping spree for women throughout the former Soviet Union," he said. "We are talking about over 2,000 women who, we suspect, were forced to work as prostitutes via threats and violence, in Israel and Cyprus and, later, in Belgium and England as well."

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I don't honestly see how two people who are not intimately involved can have "great" sex. Maybe if you're on drugs or drunk, but guys might have a problem. I'd say it might be mediocre at best.
    Well, you'd certainly be wrong. You might not be able to see it happening, but I assure you that a great many of us FEEL it happening any number of times, all over the country. I've had absolutely mind-blowing sex with complete strangers. I don't see why I would need to be intimately involved with someone in order to have great sex. Where is the logic in that? I don't need intimacy to have an orgasm.

    All this "great" sex with strangers is Movieland and TV-land, not realityland, otherwise there'd be no need for any relationships whatsoever, no need for marriage, either, unless you just want a contract. Marriage has evolved into a relationship deal because people started to realize that when they actually had a deeper commitment for a person it made for great sex.
    No, it's not in "movieland". It's in real life, every day, all over the place. And you're right, there is no need at all for marriage. None.

    This makes sex seem so ordinary to me, and in reality, after a long time it is. Seems like it's a sporting event in the world arena now a days.
    Sooo... after a long time with someone, sex becomes "ordinary"? You would think it would just get better and better and better by the way you go on about how sex with someone you're intimate with is the only way to have truly 'great' sex.

    Just figure what it would have been like years ago (before birth control) if it were so everyday for the world. Noone would probably have siblings, unless you were a twin. There'd be very few full siblings. There'd be very little monogamy. I think the world would probably end up dying out cause everybody would burn out on sex. Seems that way to me. When you stay monogamous you have to be much more creative and start to look at a spouse in many different ways. You might have to see their beauty in the things they do for you that aren't sexual.
    Wow.. you mean, be intimate with them? WithOUT sex?? Mind boggling!

    Sounds to me like if you stay monogamous for too long, sex becomes a chore. You have do all this thinking and be 'creative' and look at your spouse in different ways. I just wanna ****. I don't want to labor over thinking about how we *should* ****.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post

    The Netherlands and Austria seem like they're getting along pretty well despite the horrific devastation of their moral systems...

    Huh. Maybe God's just waiting a couple more years to smite them with AIDS or somesuch.
    Increase in human trafficking in Netherlands
    Latest figures show more women, especially from Hungary and China, falling prey to human traffickers.
    Increase in human trafficking in Netherlands < Local News | Expatica The Netherlands

    AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) A court convicted six people Friday in what prosecutors said was the largest case of human trafficking ever brought to trial in the Netherlands.

    Experts said the case could have an impact on Dutch policy because the crimes were committed after brothels were legalized in 2000 in the hope that legitimacy would make it easier for the police to monitor prostitution.

    Five of the six convicted men were found guilty of participating in a large, well-established network that kept women in prostitution by force and with extreme violence.

    Some of the victims were compelled to have breast enlargement surgery, and one defendant was convicted of forcing at least one woman to have an abortion. Women were beaten and forced to sit in icy water to avoid bruising. They also were tattooed.
    Six get heavy sentences in Dutch human trafficking trial - USATODAY.com


    VIENNA, Oct. 17 (Xinhua) -- Human trafficking is the most profitable criminal industry nowadays, and Austria has becomes the international human trafficking transit point and destination, Heidrun Silhavy, Austrian Federal Minister for Health and Women said here Friday.

    She told a press conference that the criminals get more than 35billion U.S dollars for human trafficking each year according to the statistical data, and the huge pecuniary benefit temptation made this rampant crime increased rapidly. The main victims of the crime are women and children, she said.

    Only recent years in Vienna, intercepted children from human trafficking was up to 1,300, according to the statistic of UNICEF (United Nations Children's Fund).
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    I've said it over a hundred times in this thread. Legalizing prostitution ultimately leads to human rights violations against women & children. Bringing prostitution out into the open makes it more accessible and increases demand, which increases competition, which increases the need for more sex workers. YOUNG sex workers. There's a domino effect that everyone wants to ignore in favor of allowing a woman to sell her vagina or her mouth. Then, if you look at what's happened in other countries, the crap hits the fan. The human rights violations associated with prostitution become outrageous and the government is left holding the bag in sorting it out.
    Once again, this is not what I'm asking. You claimed that sexual intimacy should not be cheapened by a monetary transaction; I'm wondering why maintaining the dignity of sexual intimacy should be a concern of the government.

    Because you don't get paid serving hamburgers to your family. Once sex services are legitimized as a business sex practices fall under governmental regulation.
    You completely missed my point.

    Just because the government regulates the public sale of hamburgers does not mean they must also regulate the serving of hamburgers at a family party. We can regulate the sale of sex without having to regulate people's private sexual lives. False dichotomy.

    Can you site the one which gives the government authority to say it's wrong for a 40 year old guy to have sex with a 15 year old girl?
    Yes, I can.

    U.S. Constitution: Article I. Section 1.

    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    bwahahaha. Yeah, and we should stick our head in the sand and not even look at all the other nations that have legalized prostitution in the past decade?

    Wonder why we'd want to do that?

    Oh yeah....'cause they're a mess.
    You asked me a question and I gave you a logical answer. The failures of other countries are not indicative of what will happen in the US. Why not look within our borders? The Bunny Ranch is an excellent example of well-regulated prostitution.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Criminals engage in criminal activity. We get it. Criminals use guns to kill people too, that doesn't mean we should make guns illegal. This kind of argument is truly boggling to me.

    Obviously we do just fine with our little "experiment" of legal prostitution in a county in Nevada. If other places have failed, we should just not do what they did wrong.

    Can you imagine the resources that would be freed up to investigate the actual criminal slave traffickers if we didn't have so many resources arresting and investigating consenting adults having sex?

    And I don't think we should model ourselves after ANY country. When the **** have we EVER done that? We certainly shouldn't start now.

    If the only argument you have against legalizing prostitution is that some people commit crimes now that would still be committing crimes if it's legal, then I'm afraid that's not a very good argument.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You asked me a question and I gave you a logical answer. The failures of other countries are not indicative of what will happen in the US. Why not look within our borders? The Bunny Ranch is an excellent example of well-regulated prostitution.
    This is interesting.

    Please outline the management structure, mission statement, vision, employee policies and related regulation of the bunny ranch.

    What kind of business is the bunny ranch? S-corp? LLC?

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