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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I don't know you from adam, so I have no idea. People can say whatever they want on the net and without tax records to back it up ...
    Indeed. And I sure as **** didn't claim the income.

    I am feeling really badly for bringing up rape and assault not having known you've been through that. I feel like I sucker punched you when I really didn't mean to. It's really nothing women should throw out there at other women, so I'm sorry I went there.
    It wasn't a sucker punch, so don't beat yourself up about it. Seriously, that part of your post didn't bother me in the slightest. I only responded to that part of it to make the point that rapes can and do happen most often outside of any prostitution activity. If it had bothered me in the way you seem to think it could have, I wouldn't have responded to that statement at all. Or I would have blown a gasket or something and cussed you up and down. One or the other... kinda depends on my mood.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    So again, you're ok with Taliban like morality laws as long as they are voted in?

    And then why are you bashing New Zealand. They're democraticly elected government voted to legalize prostitution. That should be ok with you if voting is all that matters.

    Show me where I bashed New Zealand.

    Show me where I said prostitution shouldn't be legal.

    Show me where I said voting is all that matters.

    Maybe if you weren't busy stacking your pennies for your next pay to play tryst, you'd be able to pay attention to who is saying what.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    That is a separate issue from prostitution. There is no evidence that any of the Nevada brothels engage in human trafficking.
    A study this month alleges an alarming amount of human trafficking and physical and mental abuse associated with Nevada’s brothels.
    Nevada's brothels get tough look<br> $50 million industry draws new,unflatteringattention - Chicago Tribune

    The US federal government believes Las Vegas is a top destination for "human trafficking" victims - from indentured servants to massage parlor workers and prostitutes held captive and forced to commit sex acts.
    HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: US Justice Department Names Las Vegas Among 17 Most Likely Destinations

    Vegas tops sex trafficking list.. Results from a two-year investigation by the U.S. State Department show Las Vegas as the epicenter of North American prostitution and human trafficking.
    Vegas Tops Sex Trafficking List - Las Vegas News Story - KVVU Las Vegas

    Dr. Melissa Farley says Las Vegas is the epicenter of North American prostitution and human trafficking. Farley spent two years researching and writing her new book: Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections.
    Vegas the epicenter of North American prostitution?

    In almost every country that has legalized prostitution incidences of human trafficking have skyrocketed; including children.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Morality will always have a basis in law. This doesn't mean you've suddenly opened yourself up to some crack pot religious take over.
    So you're comfortable with morality by law only if its your morality?

    Why can't a 34 year old man have sex with a 15 year old girl? Because she's a minor? So? What's wrong with screwing a minor?????
    Morality.
    Because we recognize that child abuse has a damaging affect on children. I've always considered the laws that make a 19 year old a rapist for screwing around with his 16 year old girlfriend ridiculous and archaic. A good example of why laws shouldn't be based on morality.

    Why can you give your kidney away but you can't sell it? Why aren't you allowed to sell or trade your organs????

    Morality.
    No, the potential for abuse is so overwhelming, we do it to protect sick, poor, or dying people from being pressued into selling their organs at the hands of an unscrupulous doctor. Morality doesn't enter into it.

    Why can't you have sex with dead people?

    Morality.
    Probably morality based, but how often are there necrophelia cases in our courts? Its not like the corpse is going to press charges. And it could be argued that those laws are in place to protect the surviving loved ones from the trauma of knowing their loved ones' remains were violated by some weirdo.

    Why can't you have sex with animals in most cities?

    Morality.
    This could fall under animal cruelty laws. I suppose some could argue animal cruelty laws are morality laws. Again though, how many casing of animal ****ing are in our courts today? Its a law that affects virtually no one in our society.

    Laws regarding prositutions affect hundreds of thousands if not millions of people directly and all tax payers indirectly due to funding of vice squads and clogging of our courts with "crimes" were no party was injured.

    I'm perfectly comfortable acknowledging that removal of the legal barrier between sex & retail fuels a demand that often leads to sex slaves and human trafficking thus it should be illegal.
    And landscaping and other such fields fuel a demand for cheap labor that often leads to hiring illegal immigrants.

    It's often associated with criminal activity thus it should be illegal.
    Its associated with criminal activity because its illegal, not because of some inherent criminal element in prostitution. During prohibition, alcohol was associated with crimianl activity? What was the reason for this alcohol or prohibition? I think we all know the answer.

    The women are often desperate when they get into the business and their health is measured often by their ability to get out of it thus it should be illegal.
    Most people take their job because they need to. You think janitors want to be janitors? No, they took it because its the best job they could get. Same is true for many prostitutes.

    As to them desiring to get out of the field, many people take jobs without planning on staying their forever. We'd consider a 40 year old who still flips burgers and wears a paper hat to be a loser. So people often measure their success by their ability to get out of minimum wage entry level jobs. That's no reason to ban them.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Indeed. And I sure as **** didn't claim the income.


    It wasn't a sucker punch, so don't beat yourself up about it. Seriously, that part of your post didn't bother me in the slightest. I only responded to that part of it to make the point that rapes can and do happen most often outside of any prostitution activity. If it had bothered me in the way you seem to think it could have, I wouldn't have responded to that statement at all. Or I would have blown a gasket or something and cussed you up and down. One or the other... kinda depends on my mood.

    Glad you're OK. If you'd have cussed me up and down, I'd have been able to handle it.

    So will you be getting a tax refund/credit on the income you didn't claim?
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Talloulou... prostitution isn't legal in Vegas. It's only legal in one county in Nevada (if I'm not mistaken). Clark County isn't the one.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I did not claim that legalization in and of itself would eliminate human trafficking, in fact, I readily admit that nothing can fully eliminate the practice. I said that proper regulation will make human trafficking more difficult and less profitable. Human trafficking has a large demand on the black market, legalized and well-regulated prostitution will virtually eliminate this black market. Conversely, criminalized prostitution sustains this black market and fuels demand for human trafficking.
    Human trafficking has been proven to rise when prostitution is made legal. It goes up. Gets bigger. Involves children. Grows.

    Prostitution aggravates the issue of human trafficking.

    In places where sex is promoted as a commodity, where sex is a tourist attraction, the demand for whores spirals out of control. Human trafficking then comes in as a major player. This is happening all over the world today.

    And yes, even in the brothels in Vegas.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Show me where I bashed New Zealand.

    Show me where I said prostitution shouldn't be legal.

    Show me where I said voting is all that matters.

    Maybe if you weren't busy stacking your pennies for your next pay to play tryst, you'd be able to pay attention to who is saying what.
    Show me where I said I use the services of a prostitute.

    Maybe if you weren't too busy being a troll you would be able to pay attention to who said what.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Talloulou... prostitution isn't legal in Vegas. It's only legal in one county in Nevada (if I'm not mistaken). Clark County isn't the one.
    What's your point? Are you aiming to argue that Nevada is a major destination for human trafficking coincidentally? Gimme a break.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Glad you're OK. If you'd have cussed me up and down, I'd have been able to handle it.

    So will you be getting a tax refund/credit on the income you didn't claim?
    I know so little about tax crap that I can't tell if that is a serious question or a sarcastic/humorous one. All I can say is.... umm... it was a number of years ago and the filing for that year has long since passed. And, that thinking about taxes pisses me off right now since Cali seems to think an IOU is as good as my damn refund. Those bastards.

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