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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    talloulou: I've asked this indirectly, but I'll ask it directly now. What is your standard or reason for wanting to ban prostitituion? And then I want to ask are you comfortable using that reasoning to ban other activities? So far you've listed a few ...

    Morality: By this argument, depending on who's morality we go by, sex outside of marriage, lying, dancing with the opposite sex, vulgar language, immodest clothing, and numerous other things would be open to banning.

    I don't want my children doing it: Again, many things would be eligible to be banned under this standard. Vulgarity, promiscuity, lying, alcoholism, pornography, appearing on Jerry Springer - they would all be criminal acts.

    Poor working conditions for the prostitutes themsevles: Non-union physical laborers often have very poor working conditions. Fast food or low end service workers have pretty lousy jobs with little pay or benefits as well. Should these be banned as well?

    Side affects (i.e. sex slaves, human trafficing, ect.): Landscapers are notorious for hiring illegal aliens. Should we ban the landscaping profession because it contributes to illegal immigration?

    I'm curious if you're comfortable with any of these reasonings being the basis for determining if an activity should be legal. If not, are you willing to admit that you're just drawing an arbitrary line on prostitution based on your own preferences?
    Relationships and sex should not be a commodity. Sex should be treated with a certain deference. It is not something to be put up for sale.

    I realize these are my morals. I also realize they are shared by many and I have no issue whatsoever with creating a legal barrier between sex & retail on the basis that lots of folks see it as unethical.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Even assuming she handled her finances correctly (being debt free except the mortgage, emergency fund which could support her for 6-12 month, taking a 15 year loan with 20% down, etc), assuming she couldn't take out a second mortgage on any existing equity, the most appropriate action here is to sell the home and rent until she gets back on her feet; not become a prostitute.
    Who are YOU to determine for her what her "most appropriate action" is? Maybe she wanted to keep the house.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Even though "shaman" is a much older profession than "prostitute", the earliest records of prostitution (Third Dynasty of Ur c. 2050 B.C.) show that they were slaves.

    Some "profession"
    Soldiers were once slaves too. In some parts of the world, they still are. What's your point?
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    By keeping prostitution illegal and driving it underground you are in effect encouraging human trafficking. Why would you do such a thing?
    Oh is that what's happening in Amsterdam?

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I am absolutely superior to women who do this and will be for as long as they continue to do so.
    If you feel that you are better than a woman who is a prostitute, that is great, but it is not grounds for stopping someone from doing it.

    I think we are conditioned to believe certain things about certain professions and those ideas are carried over to our adulthood without any real justification. The brothels in Nevada are the perfect example of legalized prostitution gone well. That is part of what I base my opinion on, not the social stigmas that I had no part in creating.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Two bucks? Where the **** do you live? Guys didn't get to LOOK at me for $2. They couldn't even touch me for less than $400. My average trick paid me $600-800 And hell, as far as high class call girls go, I was inexpensive.
    Yeah OK. You're KayleighKatz, the X Rated Version. Gotcha.

    (ps didn't know you had been raped or beaten. Though we obviously disagree on the subject at hand, I am truly sorry you suffered. No one deserves that).
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Relationships and sex should not be a commodity. Sex should be treated with a certain deference. It is not something to be put up for sale.

    I realize these are my morals. I also realize they are shared by many and I have no issue whatsoever with creating a legal barrier between sex & retail on the basis that lots of folks see it as unethical.
    Heck I find politics unethical....Let's make politics illegal J)

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    If you feel that you are better than a woman who is a prostitute, that is great, but it is not grounds for stopping someone from doing it.

    I think we are conditioned to believe certain things about certain professions and those ideas are carried over to our adulthood without any real justification. The brothels in Nevada are the perfect example of legalized prostitution gone well. That is part of what I base my opinion on, not the social stigmas that I had no part in creating.
    Yeah so lets just ignore the fact that Nevada is one of the main destinations for human trafficking in the US.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Yeah OK. You're KayleighKatz, the X Rated Version. Gotcha.
    NOW you've insulted me.


    But I do hope you're not seriously implying I'm making it up.

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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    The truth is, once is goes legal, these girls won't make that kind of money any more. They'll also get to pay taxes, so it won't be as lucrative in more ways than one. Maybe learning a trade isn't such a bad idea for the future.
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    Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah so lets just ignore the fact that Nevada is one of the main destinations for human trafficking in the US.
    What does human trafficking (something we all agree should remain illegal) have to do with consensual prostitution? It's like saying what someone else said above... landscaping should be illegal because it promote the illegal use of illegal aliens. In other words, It makes no goddamn sense.

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