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And he's sent his wife out on the trail to show they support the troops.
Horse hockey.
The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment
"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."
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I heard a Prof from Harvard speak about Obama, his arrogance and narrow mindedness.
This is further proof.
Like we needed any further proof as his voting record showed no bipartisanship.
He voted party line all the time; that's how you get the most liberal record.

He's just another lib that looks at the military as something to be cut and weakened.
 
The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.
"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."
The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans!"
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The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment

Yeah, Obama's an asshat, 100% douche laden asshat. He's a worthless peice of dog poo. Americans need to toss this loser to the curb.
 
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So what happens when the Private Insurance Companies refuse ti insure a member of the armed services.
Not a well thought out plan, unless of course he is intent on Nationalization of all Health Insurance Companies, which would, naturally lead straight back to Government having to finance Vets again.
Oh I forgot, they don't do this as fully as they should.
Seems Marxist Obama starting to reveal his idiocy.
 
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This is ironic, so called conservatives arguing against privatized insurance.
 
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chevydriver1123 said:
Taking care of the armed forces is the job of the government.
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Oh yeah just toss the "free market" out, LOL
 
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winston53660 said:
This is ironic, so called conservatives arguing against privatized insurance.
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No one is arguing against privatized insurance. That has nothing to do with this.

Veterans were promised health care for life. That was part of the deal. Esp. wounded vets have earned that. The gov't is supposed to take care of them! That the CIC would try to take that away is such a big betrayal, it's almost beyond belief. The gov't sent them out to fight for their country, to give up part of their lives for their country. In exchange the gov't was supposed to provide health care. You're aware of that, right? The vets can't get those years - or their health - back. Now after the fact he wants to yank that promised benefit? I can't find the words to describe how disgusted I am. My husband is a soldier and *part* of the reason we've put up with the low pay and frequent moves and separations is for the benefits. This is just a really, really horrible way to treat disabled veterans. No CIC has ever screwed over veterans like this before.
Why would anyone ever enlist again? This is one way to bring back the draft!
 
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If he does this, we can use it to show him how stupid his ideology is. Let's show him what the American people are really capable of.
 
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Dix said:
No one is arguing against privatized insurance. That has nothing to do with this.

Veterans were promised health care for life. That was part of the deal. Esp. wounded vets have earned that. The gov't is supposed to take care of them! That the CIC would try to take that away is such a big betrayal, it's almost beyond belief. The gov't sent them out to fight for their country, to give up part of their lives for their country. In exchange the gov't was supposed to provide health care. You're aware of that, right? The vets can't get those years - or their health - back. Now after the fact he wants to yank that promised benefit? I can't find the words to describe how disgusted I am. My husband is a soldier and *part* of the reason we've put up with the low pay and frequent moves and separations is for the benefits. This is just a really, really horrible way to treat disabled veterans. No CIC has ever screwed over veterans like this before.
Why would anyone ever enlist again? This is one way to bring back the draft!
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Do you think the American people would sit around and make soldiers who risked their lives for us pay for their wounds? NO! I wouldn't. Would you? Would any of us? Do you think "the rich" would would put up with that? We will pay voluntarily and it will be better care than they've ever gotten in their lives.
 
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If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
 
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winston53660 said:
Oh yeah just toss the "free market" out, LOL
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There is something bigger here at stake. The countries honor bound commitment to the men and women that put their asses on the line to keep people like you safe.

If the country sends you into battle, and you are wounded, the country is honor bound to provide to you for YOUR sacrifice. That principle is far and above petty political pandering. Sadly, you have no concept of this reality, no appreciation for it.

Instead of realizing the issue at stake isn't about "free market" or as you put it "so called conservatives" you show you have no concept of what drives conservatives. You're pathetic.
 
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Orius said:
If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
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A "free" ride? Our soldiers aren't "protecting anything"?
Incredible...
Yes, soldiers know the risks. They also know what they've been promised in exchange for taking those risks.

So - when Saddam had his men shooting at our planes over the no-fly zone, do you think our response was offensive? I wonder what it would take for it to be considered defensive in your world :shock:
 
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winston53660 said:
Oh yeah just toss the "free market" out, LOL
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The free market was at play when the government made certain benefits available as an incentive to those who served it rather than simply drafting its members. Now the government has an obligation as an honest employer to follow through on those benefits.

The free market isn't even a question here. Nice try though.
 
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MrVicchio said:
There is something bigger here at stake. The countries honor bound commitment to the men and women that put their asses on the line to keep people like you safe.

If the country sends you into battle, and you are wounded, the country is honor bound to provide to you for YOUR sacrifice. That principle is far and above petty political pandering. Sadly, you have no concept of this reality, no appreciation for it.

Instead of realizing the issue at stake isn't about "free market" or as you put it "so called conservatives" you show you have no concept of what drives conservatives. You're pathetic.
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I don't think you understand. As much as I disagree with Bush's invasion of Iraq I think every soldier their injured in war should have health care.
 
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Orius said:
If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
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:shock: Do people really think this way without starting out as FAS babies?
 
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Orius said:
If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
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Eh...another "moderate" with a horribly leftist view of the world. What else is new? :roll:

Makes me sick men and women are putting their lives on the line to defend your right to post such distorted, pathetic drivel.
 
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The U.S. is the only developed nation that has socialized health care for its soldiers but not for its own people. Until all tax payers get the equal treatment, I am not in favour of tax payer funded health care for soldiers. Soldiers get all the benefits in order to create incentives for more people to join - it's a recruiting tool.

Conservatives in favour of socialized health care for soldiers yet accusing Obama of being a socialist for creating the same policy for everyone is laughably ironic.

I also see the ad homs being dishes out but with no real arguments. Shows that none of you have a leg to stand on.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's keep the thread civil, please.
 
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Orius said:
Until all tax payers get the equal treatment, I am not in favour of tax payer funded health care for soldiers.
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Ugh. Are you sure you really want equal treatment with soldiers? Complete with loss-of-freedom AWOL rules and everything. No cherry-picking. ;)

Perhaps they're against socialized health care because they're familiar with it? It's not that great in many cases. Recently there was that overhaul of some of the military hospitals because the care was SO abysmal. That's the government for you!

Regardless, it is their benefit and it was promised to them. It is the very least they deserve. You keep going off-topic, other than to "applaud" Obama for screwing over wounded veterans. :roll: This thread isn't about civilians.
 
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Dix said:
Ugh. Are you sure you really want equal treatment with soldiers? Complete with loss-of-freedom AWOL rules and everything. No cherry-picking. ;)

Perhaps they're against socialized health care because they're familiar with it? It's not that great in many cases. Recently there was that overhaul of some of the military hospitals because the care was SO abysmal. That's the government for you!

Regardless, it is their benefit and it was promised to them. It is the very least they deserve. You keep going off-topic, other than to "applaud" Obama for screwing over wounded veterans. :roll: This thread isn't about civilians.
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It's you who are cherry picking by bringing up things I never even mentioned, assuming they are my position (when they aren't at all), and then saying I'm off topic. What a brilliant feat of logic.

All I said, and I still believe, is that if the military gets socialized health care, then so should the American people. I never said anything about treating civilians as military personnel, that was your irrelevant diatribe. Tax payers pay for the military to get health care, and not just the ones in combat. Those even doing a peaceful tour get covered.

Every other developed nation covers everyone, civilian and military alike. I disagree with military getting special treatment. Sure they are defending society, but they are defending a society that is ill.
 
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winston53660 said:
This is ironic, so called conservatives arguing against privatized insurance.
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I commented about this on another thread a few days ago. Since many in the military are conservative, I suppose socialized medicine is OK only if it takes care of conservatives. There's a word for that...

hypocrite

BTW, I strongly disagree with Obama doing this. Our military deserve better and should receive these benefits.
 
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Orius said:
It's you who are cherry picking by bringing up things I never even mentioned, assuming they are my position (when they aren't at all), and then saying I'm off topic. What a brilliant feat of logic.

All I said, and I still believe, is that if the military gets socialized health care, then so should the American people. I never said anything about treating civilians as military personnel, that was your irrelevant diatribe. Tax payers pay for the military to get health care, and not just the ones in combat. Those even doing a peaceful tour get covered.

Every other developed nation covers everyone, civilian and military alike. I disagree with military getting special treatment. Sure they are defending society, but they are defending a society that is ill.
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You can't change the facts to suit your argument. The military gets free health care because that's what it was promised in exchange for the dangerous job they do/have done. You are the one trying to somehow tie this in with civilians and I was addressing that with you ie. reminding you it was off-topic. lol!

Obama wants to change the deal after the fact; after the soldiers have already held up their end of the bargain and gotten injured. That is really rotten! Especially when you consider he is their Commander-in-Chief. That is the problem.

Ps. of course tax-payers provide for the common defense. Good luck getting soldiers if you don't take care of the wounded!
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I commented about this on another thread a few days ago. Since many in the military are conservative, I suppose socialized medicine is OK only if it takes care of conservatives. There's a word for that...

hypocrite

BTW, I strongly disagree with Obama doing this. Our military deserve better and should receive these benefits.
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I don't know what the other thread is but I can comment on this here.

FWIW:
My family is military and conservative and against socialized health care. I don't think we're being hypocrites. Given the choice we'd rather have higher pay and private health insurance. That's not the deal you're given though. It's presented as here's your pay and benefits package; the pay isn't great but we make up for it in benefits. When you're young and healthy you don't know better. Now that we're older and have used the health system more we're a bit wiser. I wouldn't wish it for other people. When we get out we'll have a choice of using the military facilities or paying a fee and going civilian. We hope to do the latter. If America goes socialized we won't be able to do that! That would suck. And that's why I don't think we're hypocrites. We really want to be able to go back to civilian. Do you understand what I'm saying? Even if it's a struggle to pay. Having the gov't in charge of your medical care can really lessen the quality. We know this first-hand. We've been in areas where they haven't had military facilities so we've had to use civilian and OMG, it is so much better. We've also lived overseas, in Europe, and have gotten a taste of their brand of socialized medicine.
I would say that civilian American is the best, socialized European the worst and the American-gov't military is in the middle, closer to the socialized European.

This isn't about trying to keep it from anyone else. Again, if we had the choice we'd pick pay that was more in line with civilian pay and regular insurance like civilians have. That hasn't been an option for us (but will be, hopefully soon if we can retire away from a military base w/regular civilian pay). I hope that clears it up a little. It should open people's eyes that the people who have socialized health care are the ones saying "no, don't get it!!!"
 
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Dix said:
Obama wants to change the deal after the fact; after the soldiers have already held up their end of the bargain and gotten injured. That is really rotten! Especially when you consider he is their Commander-in-Chief. That is the problem.
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As I already said, it should be on a go-forward basis only, so that pre-existing contracts are not violated. Go back and read my original post.
 
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I'm curious about how vets costs are paid for now - do vets have private insurance now already or are their (military injury) costs paid for by the Govt?

IF their costs are paid for by solely the Govt now then what is being discussed is a breach of the unwritten mandate to treat the war wounded on their return however if Private Insurance is already involved I can see the reason for going one way or the other.

Dix said:
-- We've also lived overseas, in Europe, and have gotten a taste of their brand of socialized medicine.
I would say that civilian American is the best, socialized European the worst and the American-gov't military is in the middle, closer to the socialized European.
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I'm afraid your personal experiences aren't backed by any of the major independent studies comparing quality vs costs of healthcare. You certainly have the costliest healthcare in the world - but all that spending hasn't made it the best by a long way. If you're super-rich then yes, throwing money at all your health needs in the US is the way to go.
 
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