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Goobieman said:
Of course it will. Higher risk = higher premium.
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I see your point. I may research to find out the rationale behind this suggestion. It does seem strange.
 
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Orius said:
The U.S. is the only developed nation that has socialized health care for its soldiers but not for its own people. Until all tax payers get the equal treatment, I am not in favour of tax payer funded health care for soldiers. Soldiers get all the benefits in order to create incentives for more people to join - it's a recruiting tool.

Conservatives in favour of socialized health care for soldiers yet accusing Obama of being a socialist for creating the same policy for everyone is laughably ironic.

I also see the ad homs being dishes out but with no real arguments. Shows that none of you have a leg to stand on.
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Just an FYI, if you get hurt on the job - ANY JOB - your employer must pay for your medical treatment and lost wages. The government is no different.
 
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Dix said:
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A "free" ride? Our soldiers aren't "protecting anything"?
Incredible...
Yes, soldiers know the risks. They also know what they've been promised in exchange for taking those risks.

So - when Saddam had his men shooting at our planes over the no-fly zone, do you think our response was offensive? I wonder what it would take for it to be considered defensive in your world :shock:
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I love this response. And Dix, thank you for the sacrifice your family has made for us.

Hypocrit, my :moon:
 
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WI Crippler said:
There is a very good reason the government has to insure wounded veterans, and cannot ask them to get private insurance. The private market is not going to provide any coverage. What free market enterprise can offer the coverage necessary to treat guys missing 6 feet of intestine, at an affordable premium? There is a reason that free market insurance doesn't want to cover pre-existing conditions like these. They cannot charge premiums to cover the costs. Or rather they could, but nobody could afford the premium levels.

I'm not someone who likes being taxed that much, but among the few things I am absolutley be willing to pay taxes for, is for a strong robust military, care for its servicemen while active, and those wounded in the line of duty. These people actually make a difference, and are amongst the very few in our generation that make any kind of sacrifice these days, and the world is a better place because of them. You all supported my health via taxes when I was in the military, and I am proud to support other military members as well with the taxes I pay.
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HEAR! HEAR!
 
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Orius said:
It's you who are cherry picking by bringing up things I never even mentioned, assuming they are my position (when they aren't at all), and then saying I'm off topic. What a brilliant feat of logic.

All I said, and I still believe, is that if the military gets socialized health care, then so should the American people. I never said anything about treating civilians as military personnel, that was your irrelevant diatribe. Tax payers pay for the military to get health care, and not just the ones in combat. Those even doing a peaceful tour get covered.
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You do realize that this is because they are considered the "property" of the United States government, right? That they have their rights severely restricted during the course of their service and that the government is responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of its property.

Since the government pays for oil changes and maintenance on its motor fleet, do you think it should pay for yours, too? Tell you what...when you start reporting for duty, gun in hand, ready to die for your country then you can bitch about the military being taken care of medically. When you let the government tell you where you can live, for how long, and when you can come and go when you get there, then you bitch about the benefits of the military.

Every other developed nation covers everyone, civilian and military alike. I disagree with military getting special treatment. Sure they are defending society, but they are defending a society that is ill.
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Well if you don't like this society, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. If the society is that ill, perhaps you would be safest quarantining yourself to, say, Iran.
 
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WI Crippler said:
There is a very good reason the government has to insure wounded veterans, and cannot ask them to get private insurance. The private market is not going to provide any coverage. What free market enterprise can offer the coverage necessary to treat guys missing 6 feet of intestine, at an affordable premium? There is a reason that free market insurance doesn't want to cover pre-existing conditions like these. They cannot charge premiums to cover the costs. Or rather they could, but nobody could afford the premium levels.

I'm not someone who likes being taxed that much, but among the few things I am absolutley be willing to pay taxes for, is for a strong robust military, care for its servicemen while active, and those wounded in the line of duty. These people actually make a difference, and are amongst the very few in our generation that make any kind of sacrifice these days, and the world is a better place because of them. You all supported my health via taxes when I was in the military, and I am proud to support other military members as well with the taxes I pay.
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Hear ye and hear him.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap::clap:

Funding of the military is in our Founding Documents.
It is to be funded by government for the common sense reasons espoused by WI C.

The social engineering, choosing winners and losers, bail-out mania for a social program called Fannie and Freddie, The Great Society and Raw Deal, etc., etc., have no basis.

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Is there any doubt of the contempt Obama holds the military in? I mean to even consider this in the middle of 2 wars is abhorrent.
 
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winston53660 said:
This is ironic, so called conservatives arguing against privatized insurance.
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It's ironic, an avowed socialist denying government services to someone that actually earned them....and needs them.
 
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winston53660 said:
Oh yeah just toss the "free market" out, LOL
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No problem.

The government, however, pays 100% of the costs, because it's the government that incurred the liability by getting that man injured.
 
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zimmer said:
And he's sent his wife out on the trail to show they support the troops.
Horse hockey.
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I heard a Prof from Harvard speak about Obama, his arrogance and narrow mindedness.
This is further proof.
Like we needed any further proof as his voting record showed no bipartisanship.
He voted party line all the time; that's how you get the most liberal record.

He's just another lib that looks at the military as something to be cut and weakened.
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I find it incredible that he's doing this while sending his wife out to advocate for the troops. That's the biggest pile I've heard all day. I hope Obama doesn't say anything tomorrow.
 
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Orius said:
Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive.
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Defensive: Revolutionary War
Defensive: War of 1812
Defensive: Mexican American War
Defensive: Civil War (the Union was defending it's existence, the South was the offending party)
Offensive: Spanish American War
Defensive: WWI
Defensive: WWII
Defensive: Korea
Democrat: Vietnam.
Defensive: Gulf War I
Offensive: Clinton's War in Yugoslavia.
Defensive: Afhghanistan
Offensive: Iraq.

Yeppers, clearly all the wars the United States have fought are offensive, all righty, just look at that list. Two out of 13. That clinches it. Clearly US troops following lawful orders must bear the cost of their service because Comrade Osama orders it.
 
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MrVicchio said:
There is something bigger here at stake. The countries honor bound commitment to the men and women that put their asses on the line to keep people like you safe.

If the country sends you into battle, and you are wounded, the country is honor bound to provide to you for YOUR sacrifice. That principle is far and above petty political pandering. Sadly, you have no concept of this reality, no appreciation for it.

Instead of realizing the issue at stake isn't about "free market" or as you put it "so called conservatives" you show you have no concept of what drives conservatives. You're pathetic.
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Absolutely one of the most important things on the Democrat agenda is the destruction of the US military. Telling the soldier that the government won't care for the disabled serviceman is an essential part of the demoralization of the finest military the world has ever seen.

If those bastards weren't capitalist warmongers they wouldn't have volunteered to serve in the military, right? So they should pay the price for being evil.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Absolutely one of the most important things on the Democrat agenda is the destruction of the US military. Telling the soldier that the government won't care for the disabled serviceman is an essential part of the demoralization of the finest military the world has ever seen.
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Before you know it, The Obama will bill shot-down pilots for the cost of the search and rescue pick-up.
 
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don'ttreadonme said:
Eh...another "moderate" with a horribly leftist view of the world. What else is new? :roll:
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"Moderates" are leftists ashamed of their views, is all.
 
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Orius said:
If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
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You should be honest - with yourself, at least -- and remove the "moderate" label in your profile.
 
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Goobieman said:
Before you know it, The Obama will bill shot-down pilots for the cost of the search and rescue pick-up.
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You know, that would be funny....except it's too believable.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
"Moderates" are leftists ashamed of their views, is all.
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Independents are rightists too crude and boorish to run with conservatives, is all.
 
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Orius said:
The U.S. is the only developed nation that has socialized health care for its soldiers but not for its own people.
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The United States doesn't have socialized health care for it's veterans.

The veterans have earned that service by their sacrifice under contract.

Ain't socialism, it's a capitalist job fringe benefit used to recruit and retain the best employees possible.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Defensive: Revolutionary War
Defensive: War of 1812
Defensive: Mexican American War
Defensive: Civil War (the Union was defending it's existence, the South was the offending party)
Offensive: Spanish American War
Defensive: WWI
Defensive: WWII
Defensive: Korea
Democrat: Vietnam.
Defensive: Gulf War I
Offensive: Clinton's War in Yugoslavia.
Defensive: Afhghanistan
Offensive: Iraq.

Yeppers, clearly all the wars the United States have fought are offensive, all righty, just look at that list. Two out of 13. That clinches it. Clearly US troops following lawful orders must bear the cost of their service because Comrade Osama orders it.
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How is Afghanistan "defensive?"

Or Vietnam?

Or Korea?

Did they invade the US or attack the US like Japan did in WW2?

And if you read what Orius said - he said "recent", not "all....."
 
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I think what is so strange is how many of you are attacking Obama without any understanding of the rationale for this suggestion.

Yeah, he hates our troops. That's why he appointed Shinseki to be Secretary of VA.
 
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aps said:
I think what is so strange is how many of you are attacking Obama without any understanding of the rationale for this suggestion.

Yeah, he hates our troops. That's why he appointed Shinseki to be Secretary of VA.
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He could raise Patton and appointed him. you mess with benefits you are not a friend to the military.


This is abhorrent.


Charging vets for thier care.... This would be my top gripe with him if he does this.


It is a BIG issue.
 
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aps said:
I think what is so strange is how many of you are attacking Obama without any understanding of the rationale for this suggestion.
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Can you supply a possible rationale that renders thsi proposal acceptable?

And... try to be honest here... what would your reaction be if Bush had suggested this?
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
And if you read what Orius said - he said "recent", not "all....."
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The only way hs statement holds any water is if 'recent' ONLY includes Iraq -- and THAT is debateable.
 
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