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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If you notice, I am not against soldier's receiving benefits... I have said I can agree with it. People view my comments as controversial because they think my core message is that the military should not get benefits at all.

    My argument is two-fold...

    One, I am pointing out the obvious hypocrisy innate to the anti-UHC arguments created by Conservatives. Whether or not I agree with the military getting said benefits is not the issue, but rather it is clearly okay for socialized health care to exist in some instances. It's just a matter of who we think is more deserving, and that is subjective no matter what way you slice it. I just happen to fall on the side that thinks giving it to the military is okay.

    Secondly, because I come from a nation that supports UHC, I think it is double standard to give it to the military but not to civilians who are in turn paying for military health care anyway. Clearly there is a system of standarized care that can exist in a financially abundant sector of the U.S. (the military), so why is it so unfathomable and controversial to expand this system to everyone else? Like I said, I understand giving it to the military and they should receive it, but on those grounds, so should everyone else.
    Orius, you can do one of two things:
    1) ignore my post and keep saying the same thing over and over
    2) address it

    It's up to you.

    Also, your ignorant stereotyping of the members of the military is not appreciated.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What you (and others) continue to fail to see (or refuse to admit) is that health care for soldiers (or any other government employee) is NOT 'socialized medicine'. Its a benefit paid to employees by their employers as part of their job, rather than an entitlement owed to the citizenry in general, created by legislation.

    And so, there is no 'conservative hypocricy' on this matter.
    The premiums are paid for by tax payers, therefore it is publically subsidized and socialized. This has been addressed already by more than one person in the thread. Try to keep up.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The premiums are paid for by tax payers, therefore it is publically subsidized and socialized. This has been addressed already by more than one person in the thread. Try to keep up.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The premiums are paid for by tax payers, therefore it is publically subsidized and socialized.
    Wrong.
    The difference has been explained to you.
    You can continue to argue your error, but it will forever remain an error.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Orius, you can do one of two things:
    1) ignore my post and keep saying the same thing over and over
    2) address it

    It's up to you.

    Also, your ignorant stereotyping of the members of the military is not appreciated.
    There is nothing in your post but partisan rants about your perception of the left (which I am not a member of), and a quote by Jallman which I already directly responded to earlier.

    How am I stereotyping the military?

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wrong.
    The difference has been explained to you.
    You can continue to argue your error, but it will forever remain an error.
    The most intelligent debaters in this thread have already agreed that it is socialized health care. Government workers and the military all receive benefits for working on the job, but the premiums for those benefits are paid for with tax dollars, hence socialized health care. You can continue to deny this point all you want... I will not argue it further. It is health care paid for through a socialized process, end of story.

    If you post a valid counter argument I will gladly answer you, but if you continue to rehash the above over and over, a response will not be forthcoming.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    I don't think that's money she receives. When you get a disability ranking that is just a percentage of your retirement pay that is tax-free. I'm not sure if that's what you were saying or not. Just wanted to clarify.
    Not all people retire from the military, so not all are getting retirement pay.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The most intelligent debaters in this thread have already agreed that it is socialized health care.
    Logical fallacy -- an appeal to popularity.
    If you were among the most intelligent debaters here, you'd realize that.

    Thus:
    The difference has been explained to you.
    You can continue to argue your error, but it will forever remain an error.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    There is nothing in your post but partisan rants about your perception of the left (which I am not a member of), and a quote by Jallman which I already directly responded to earlier.

    How am I stereotyping the military?
    There was no partisan rant. Universal healthcare is a leftist doctrine based on redistribution of wealth. Please address my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

    Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

    The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
    Nope, nothing wrong with that at all. "They're just in it for the benefits." The military's just a "free ride." Get a clue.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You do realize that this is because they are considered the "property" of the United States government, right? That they have their rights severely restricted during the course of their service and that the government is responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of its property.

    Since the government pays for oil changes and maintenance on its motor fleet, do you think it should pay for yours, too? Tell you what...when you start reporting for duty, gun in hand, ready to die for your country then you can bitch about the military being taken care of medically. When you let the government tell you where you can live, for how long, and when you can come and go when you get there, then you bitch about the benefits of the military.
    Quoted again for truth.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    There was no partisan rant. Universal healthcare is a leftist doctrine based on redistribution of wealth. Please address my post.
    If you truly believe that all your post mentioned was that UHC is an idea of the left, then there is nothing to discuss, as I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Nope, nothing wrong with that at all. "They're just in it for the benefits." The military's just a "free ride." Get a clue.
    That's twisting my words. Why don't you try addressing my reply to CC? I summarized my viewpoint therein. Until you attempt to form some kind of tangible argument, you have no business demanding replies from me.

    What I said to Goobieman about further replies from me goes double for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Quoted again for truth.
    I already responded to Jallman directly. Don't use his own arguments to back up your lack of one.

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