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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Your own link proves you wrong.

    Socialized medicine: A system of health care in which all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals, work for the government and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the US Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. And the Veterans and US military hospitals are also supported this way. Examples also exist in Great Britain and Spain.

    My dad is a vet, none of his doctors work for the government, they're all private doctors.

    He's covered under Tricare. Back in the day it was called CHAMPUS which is an acronym for: Civilian Health And Medical Program of the Uniformed Services

    It's not socialized medicine. It's a contractual obligation.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Your own link proves you wrong.

    My dad is a vet, none of his doctors work for the government, they're all private doctors.

    He's covered under Tricare. Back in the day it was called CHAMPUS which is an acronym for: Civilian Health And Medical Program of the Uniformed Services

    It's not socialized medicine. It's a contractual obligation.
    If you go into the VA, you are using socialized Medicine.

    Tricare is not the VA that is true, but Tricare is not the ONLY care he can get. As a veteran he can use the VA. Therefore it is SOCIALIZED medicine.

    My link only proves me right, the fact you father can use other health care, only proves there is a choice. Not that the VA is not socialized medicine.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you go into the VA, you are using socialized Medicine.

    Tricare is not the VA that is true, but Tricare is not the ONLY care he can get. As a veteran he can use the VA. Therefore it is SOCIALIZED medicine.

    My link only proves me right, the fact you father can use other health care, only proves there is a choice. Not that the VA is not socialized medicine.
    Again, your own link proves you wrong:

    Socialized medicine: A system of health care in which all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals, work for the government and draw salaries from the government.

    It boils down to reading comprehension, and you're not comprehending it.

    See the words system & all? Tricare is part of the system, in which not all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals work for the government and draw salaries from the government.

    Now see the word not?

    The link you provided proves you wrong with it's definition.

    One more time, it's a contractual obligation, not socialized medicine.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Again, your own link proves you wrong:

    Socialized medicine: A system of health care in which all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals, work for the government and draw salaries from the government.

    It boils down to reading comprehension, and you're not comprehending it.

    See the words system & all? Tricare is part of the system, in which not all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals work for the government and draw salaries from the government.

    Now see the word not?

    The link you provided proves you wrong with it's definition.

    One more time, it's a contractual obligation, not socialized medicine.
    ALL refers to ALL ex-military personnel which the VA falls under. try again.

    ALL EX-Military personnel can use the VA system.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You do realize that this is because they are considered the "property" of the United States government, right? That they have their rights severely restricted during the course of their service and that the government is responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of its property.
    It can be spun any which way... you still volunteer to become property, no one is forcing you. You make the choice to sign the contract. But I understand that many would want to volunteer because they are impoverished, want to go to college, or want free health care. In peace time this is a dream come true for many people.

    Bottom line, it is still taxpayer money funding a soldier's healthcare. I don't agree with this given that the rest of taxpayers do not get this option.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Since the government pays for oil changes and maintenance on its motor fleet, do you think it should pay for yours, too? Tell you what...when you start reporting for duty, gun in hand, ready to die for your country then you can bitch about the military being taken care of medically. When you let the government tell you where you can live, for how long, and when you can come and go when you get there, then you bitch about the benefits of the military.
    My issue actually isn't soldiers getting benefits. I have family members in the Canadian armed forces and they receive benefits. I don't mind, but that's because in Canada health care is universal. If I were American, I would care that taxpayer dollars pay for the military to get everything taken care of for free, yet 40 million Americans, who presumably pay taxes, don't get the same entitlements. It's a two-tier system.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well if you don't like this society, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. If the society is that ill, perhaps you would be safest quarantining yourself to, say, Iran.
    Cute, but not succinct. I don't live in the U.S., nor would I want to given the lack of health care options.

    Moving to Iran isn't necessary. Canada has all the health care I need and it will stay that way, kthnx!


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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    ALL refers to ALL ex-military personnel which the VA falls under. try again.

    ALL EX-Military personnel can use the VA system.
    AGAIN, by the definition supplied by your own link.

    Anyone who receives care at a military or VA hospital canít avoid noticing that there are plenty of folks working in those facilities who are not government employees

    Independent Contractors working in Military and VA Hospitals | Military Medical Malpractice Blog

    You really should do a little research before blurting out your nonsense about socialized medicine and the VA.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It can be spun any which way... you still volunteer to become property, no one is forcing you. You make the choice to sign the contract. But I understand that many would want to volunteer because they are impoverished, want to go to college, or want free health care. In peace time this is a dream come true for many people.

    Bottom line, it is still taxpayer money funding a soldier's healthcare. I don't agree with this given that the rest of taxpayers do not get this option.
    What?

    Everyone has the option of joining the military. It's not like the government willy nilly hands out medical benefits to some and not others. They give benefits to those who give service...just like any job. Your point is not a valid one.

    My issue actually isn't soldiers getting benefits. I have family members in the Canadian armed forces and they receive benefits. I don't mind, but that's because in Canada health care is universal. If I were American, I would care that taxpayer dollars pay for the military to get everything taken care of for free, yet 40 million Americans, who presumably pay taxes, don't get the same entitlements. It's a two-tier system.
    You are flat wrong. It's not an entitlement. It is a compensation.

    Cute, but not succinct. I don't live in the U.S., nor would I want to given the lack of health care options.

    Moving to Iran isn't necessary. Canada has all the health care I need and it will stay that way, kthnx!

    Let me know how that goes for you when you are waiting weeks to see a specialist should you ever need to do so.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    ALL refers to ALL ex-military personnel which the VA falls under. try again.

    ALL EX-Military personnel can use the VA system.
    No, that's not what "all" is being refered to as in your link.

    You have serious reading comprehension problems
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    AGAIN, by the definition supplied by your own link.

    Anyone who receives care at a military or VA hospital canít avoid noticing that there are plenty of folks working in those facilities who are not government employees

    Independent Contractors working in Military and VA Hospitals | Military Medical Malpractice Blog

    You really should do a little research before blurting out your nonsense about socialized medicine and the VA.
    The contractors are PAID by the U.S. GOVERNMENT. Hence SOCIALIZED. Maybe you should pay attention. The GOVERNMENT pays for them.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What?

    Everyone has the option of joining the military. It's not like the government willy nilly hands out medical benefits to some and not others. They give benefits to those who give service...just like any job. Your point is not a valid one.
    And who pays the premiums on those benefits? The government. And where does the government get the money? The tax payers. It's not just like any other employer who gives private benefits. These are publically funded benefits that only soldiers have access to.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You are flat wrong. It's not an entitlement. It is a compensation.
    A compensation paid for by everyone but only allocated to a select few. Sounds like socialism to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Let me know how that goes for you when you are waiting weeks to see a specialist should you ever need to do so.
    I have no such obstacle.

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