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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Only if you redefine the term away from its meaning in its common context.
    Not really, Captain is right, it is socialized medicine by its very definition. Medical care provided to the soldier that the soldier does not pay for directly, but that is provided by taxes from the public and controlled by the government.

    But then again, what is wrong with having socialized medicine for our troops?
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not really, Captain is right, it is socialized medicine.

    But then again, what is wrong with having socialized medicine for our troops?
    I don't get this at all...it's not socialized medicine because it is not available to the entire society. It is a compensation for serving in the military. No one is getting it for nothing.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't get this at all...it's not socialized medicine because it is not available to the entire society. It is a compensation for serving in the military. No one is getting it for nothing.
    Every time I left a job the insurance did not follow me around for life nor did the tax payers pay for it in the first place.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't get this at all...it's not socialized medicine because it is not available to the entire society. It is a compensation for serving in the military. No one is getting it for nothing.
    Again, unless you can show me a different definition you are wrong.

    Definition of Socialized medicine

    Socialized medicine: A system of health care in which all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals, work for the government and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the US Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. And the Veterans and US military hospitals are also supported this way. Examples also exist in Great Britain and Spain.

    Socialized medicine definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

    And I have no problem with this service for the troops. I happen to use it from time to time.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Every time I left a job the insurance did not follow me around for life nor did the tax payers pay for it in the first place.
    Well you weren't working for the government either, were you? And you weren't serving in a capacity that could get you killed either, were you?

    I'm just saying that it is compensation, not a free ride. It is the compensation agreed upon before entering the military and it isn't available unless you fulfill certain obligations.

    Ask someone who gets a dishonorable discharge if those benefits follow them afterward...

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, unless you can show me a different definition you are wrong.




    Socialized medicine definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

    And I have no problem with this service for the troops. I happen to use it from time to time.
    I am nto disagreeing that it is run like socialized medicine. I just think certain people in this thread were acting as if the benefit wasn't earned instead of just given as a freebie, as in the case of the socialized medicine of europe and canada.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am nto disagreeing that it is run like socialized medicine. I just think certain people in this thread were acting as if the benefit wasn't earned instead of just given as a freebie, as in the case of the socialized medicine of europe and canada.
    I'm not saying it isn't earned, but it is socialized.

    Not everything socialized is wrong or bad. That is my point. Some conservatives and Republicans on this board have used the term socialized as an insult. It isn't and we do it in many cases.

    We do not live in a 100% Democratic, Republic, or Socialized country, but we do have programs and ways of government operation that have a little bit of everything.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm not saying it isn't earned, but it is socialized.

    Not everything socialized is wrong or bad. That is my point. Some conservatives and Republicans on this board have used the term socialized as an insult. It isn't and we do it in many cases.

    We do not live in a 100% Democratic, Republic, or Socialized country, but we do have programs and ways of government operation that have a little bit of everything.
    All that is very true. Just to be clear, this time it wasn't you I was going after with that comment.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If the legislations is on a go-forward basis, and does not include those already enlisted (and thus legally binded to what the original contract said they'd be entitled to), then I see no foul play. If you volunteer for the military, you are volunteering to potentially die. You know the risks.

    Practically all of the recent American wars have been offensive and not defensive. The soldiers aren't protecting anything that justifies dishing out billions to their health care. Also, how many people enlist in the military just to get those benefits? The same goes for their education.

    The military shouldn't be a free ride when everyone else has to pay out of pocket. And frankly, in these economic times, the military should not get half a trillion dollars in budget per year. I applaud Obama for seeking cut backs.
    It's clear from your post that you just don't get it. Free ride indeed.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your own link proves you wrong.

    Socialized medicine: A system of health care in which all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals, work for the government and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the US Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. And the Veterans and US military hospitals are also supported this way. Examples also exist in Great Britain and Spain.

    My dad is a vet, none of his doctors work for the government, they're all private doctors.

    He's covered under Tricare. Back in the day it was called CHAMPUS which is an acronym for: Civilian Health And Medical Program of the Uniformed Services

    It's not socialized medicine. It's a contractual obligation.
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