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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Two things. One of which I believe was pointed out.

    1. Increase in overall premiums by the carrier, because they are paying out for more claims and assuming more risk. Thats just how insurance works.

    2. If a veteran has not met either his/her deductible or out of pocket maximums for their private insurance plan, they will have to pay out of pocket for treatment of injuries sustained while in service, which is a cost they normally do not have to incur. So, if for example, a friend of mine who ruptured disk in his back while in service, was normally healthy through the rest of the year but was using the VA hospital system for his back problem, under Obama's plan it would seem that my friend would now have to pay for the services that the VA provides, via his deductible/co-pay/out of pocket maximum that he has with his private insurer.
    I hear you, Crippler. I just cannot fathom how this could be seen as an idea worth floating around. WTH? It makes no sense to me.

    I genuinely don't believe for a minute that Obama doesn't respect our veterans--I just think he's being completely boneheaded about this.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    How is Afghanistan "defensive?"
    Just in cased you weren't born then, Afghanistan attacked the United States on September 11, 2001.

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    Or Vietnam?
    Didn't say it was. Said it was "Democrat".

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    Or Korea?

    Did they invade the US or attack the US like Japan did in WW2?
    Look at a map of Asia some day. If you lack the ability to comprehend after seeing that, and don't understand the geopolitical issues of the day, don't come back, you're out of your league.

    Did they invade the US or attack the US like Japan did in WW2?
    And if you read what Orius said - he said "recent", not "all....."[/QUOTE]

    The US is only 200 years old or so. All US wars are "recent".

    Or...of course he said "recent". He didn't define "recent" so it means whatever he thinks it means....and it means whatever I want it to mean, when I respond.

    Gee, if you restrict you view of American history to the last three major conflicts, the "majority" of them as "offensive". The United States is sooo evil, isn't it?

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Do you think this might be a ploy to get rid of private health insurance?

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I just don't remember a declaration of war by Afghanistan on the US in the same way Japan did (dishonorably) after Pearl Harbour.
    The Japan issued their declaration of war to their US embassy prior to the initiation of hostilities. The incompetence of the Japanese embassy delayed the release of that declaration until well after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    The government controlling Afghanistan was a muslim fanatic regime and thus lacked the civilized courtesy and the courage to announce their actions in advance or take responsiblity for them after.

    Regardless, they initiated a war with the United States with their attack on September 11, 2001.


    Let me guess, you're going to pretend to not know that Obama bin Laden was appointed Afghanistan's Commander-in-Chief in the months preceding Afghanistan's attack on the US, right?

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Just in cased you weren't born then, Afghanistan attacked the United States on September 11, 2001.
    They did? Sorry, but you have your facts mixed up. Al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001. The ONLY reason we attacked the Taliban, which were in power in Afghanistan, was because they would not turn over key members of Al-Qaeda wanted for 9/11 to the U.S.

    Afghanistan didn't attack us on 9/11.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    Do you think this might be a ploy to get rid of private health insurance?
    It wont work.
    Insurance comnpanies will simply stop insuring military personnel.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Talk about a hyper-partisan statement. jeesh captain, is this REALLY what you think?

    the military offers health care to troops while serving and certain troops after separation. I have this health care, it was part of a contract I signed, and based on my service in the Gulf war.


    I can use it now, I don't because I have means. but a country is honor bound to take care of its vets. this is not a conservative-liberal thing, this is an AMERICAN thing.....


    I am shocked you of all people would make such a hyper-partisan comment.
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    Why would you be shocked?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm. I was thinking 'deliberately inaaccurate, in a desperate attempt to make some inane partisan point'.

    Taking care of wounded veterans and socailizing the health care industry arent realted topics -- so keep beating that straw, man.
    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I read it all, including your qualifier... which contradicts some of the previous statement.

    Your qualifier doesn't negate all of your initial statement.
    I commented on that section.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not hypocrisy, but coming from you that's expected. How is it hypocritical to say the country owes those it asks to put life and limb on the line each and everyday medical care as part of return for their sacrifice. You're attempting to make this political, it's never been and thus fully in line with conservative view points. But you have no real grasp of what a conservativism is all about, thus it's not a surprise you'd come to such a sadly considered conclusion.
    It's always good to see some of our "conservative" contingent come out in such a unified front. It's also nice to see these folks get it wrong, as usual. Health care for veterans IS socialized health care, regardless of whether it is appropriate or not...and as I have said, our veterans, because of their military service, deserve these benefits. But of course, because of y'all's partisan blinders, y'all will divert, dodge, and skirt around the hypocrisy of your position. Now this could all be solved if your minds were a bit more flexible, and you recognized that in some situations, like heath care for veterans, socialized medical care is appropriate. Of course, that would be asking a bit much of y'all.

    Now, supporting socialized health care for veterans does not mean one must support socialized health care for the rest of us. That is the beauty of not being hyperpartisan. Flexible thinking, the abililty to see shades of gray of issues, and the ability to recognize that different circumstances require different actions.

    Now, say it with me: Health care for veterans IS socialized health care. And that's OK. And that doesn't mean others should have socialized health care. But it is hypocritical to rail against socialized health care, just because it's socialized...when veterans receive this benefit. Try to open your minds a bit and understand that it is possible that something good for one situation might not be good for another...and vice versa.

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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Health care for veterans IS socialized health care, regardless of whether it is appropriate or not
    Only if you redefine the term away from its meaning in its common context.

    Which means, of course, that you're arguing apples and oranges.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    The real story here, is why is this subject even being discussed?

    Regardless of political affiliation, the folks in our armed services signed up, served our country, and are entitled to healthcare for free.

    We should never turn our back on the veterans of our country, period. Their sacrifice should receive unanimous support from all Americans.
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    Re: The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's always good to see some of our "conservative" contingent come out in such a unified front. It's also nice to see these folks get it wrong, as usual. Health care for veterans IS socialized health care, regardless of whether it is appropriate or not...and as I have said, our veterans, because of their military service, deserve these benefits. But of course, because of y'all's partisan blinders, y'all will divert, dodge, and skirt around the hypocrisy of your position. Now this could all be solved if your minds were a bit more flexible, and you recognized that in some situations, like heath care for veterans, socialized medical care is appropriate. Of course, that would be asking a bit much of y'all.

    Now, supporting socialized health care for veterans does not mean one must support socialized health care for the rest of us. That is the beauty of not being hyperpartisan. Flexible thinking, the abililty to see shades of gray of issues, and the ability to recognize that different circumstances require different actions.

    Now, say it with me: Health care for veterans IS socialized health care. And that's OK. And that doesn't mean others should have socialized health care. But it is hypocritical to rail against socialized health care, just because it's socialized...when veterans receive this benefit. Try to open your minds a bit and understand that it is possible that something good for one situation might not be good for another...and vice versa.

    Your welcome. Any time I can assist in your understanding of the issue, I'll be happy to.
    You are just as partisan as some of our more noisy leftist, you just couch your words better and claim you are not.

    You are making a political score point by trying to say that military healthcare is "socialized" medicine and that conservatives are hypocrites by picking and choosing the socialized medicine that they support.

    This is a disingenuous argument, but common for your posts. The country has to take care of those it sends in harms way. That's not socialized anything, that's honoring the debt owed those that serve.

    Thus your entire "point" is negated before you can make it.
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