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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Interesting but I'm still missing a few parts:

    1) How would it be bad for the US?
    Taking the dollar off of one of the most important globally traded commodities?

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I refused to step down into your obtuse bull**** tactics of cluttering up a thread with already proven minutiae. Get it right.
    Well, your inaccuracy has been expressed via proxy, so it might as well be invalidated that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Serious Q: Have you not heard of this, or are you just being argumentative?

    Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says - International Herald Tribune
    There! You see, that, gallman? It isn't that difficult.

    The claim that he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" is a mistranslation and distortion of his statement. Ahmadinejad's remarks are reported as having been "een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad," or "[Ayatollah Khomeini] said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must [vanish from] the page of time."

    It is first notable that he did not reference Israel, but the regime in current occupation of Jerusalem. He was referring to the current government of Israel, not the citizenry of Israel or Jewish people in general. In fact, Ahmadinejad has expressed support for the Jewish people (as indicated by his meeting with Neturei Karta, for instance), while at the same time condemning Israeli policies. He has said that, "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish." Ahmadinejad also said that Jews lived in Iran and were represented by the Parliament. Yet, as we know, anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are often conflated by pro-Israel lobbies for political gain.

    Next, the phrase "wiped off the map" suggests a hostile military threat, while the phrase "vanish from the page of time" merely expresses a desire that the interventionist Israeli government will eventually lose power and influence. Ahmadinejad has explicitly opposed military action against Israel, declaring, "I assure you... there won't be any war in the future." He has also said that "there is no need for any measures by the Iranian people" to bring about the end of the "Zionist regime" in Israel. Supreme Leader Ali Khameini also said that Iran "will not commit aggression against any nation." The distortion of his claims is essentially equivalent to claiming that Americans who opposes the Bush regime and its policies were calling for its violent overthrow, which is obviously untrue.

    Yet, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Shimon Peres, the current president of Israel, responded by saying, "the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map." This was reported by essentially no one because the Western media has a pro-Israel bias.

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Its just a "mistranslation." He meant it in a nice way.
    Amusing how some can dance around accuracy yet still find a way to ignore it.

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    There! You see, that, gallman? It isn't that difficult.
    I never said it was difficult. I stated I wasn't going to stoop to your jackassery about the issue.

    And do not alter my screen name again. it is Jallman.

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Yeah the Iranian government is bad**** insane....sorry...I just wanted to state the obvious.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I never said it was difficult. I stated I wasn't going to stoop to your jackassery about the issue.

    And do not alter my screen name again. it is Jallman.


    Someone's mighty particular about the nature of their debates...If only they could manifest themselves in a style that actually involved the use of arguments and evidence to support conclusions...


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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post


    Someone's mighty particular about the nature of their debates...If only they could manifest themselves in a style that actually involved the use of arguments and evidence to support conclusions...

    well I am certainly glad you recognize your shortcomings.

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    well I am certainly glad you recognize your shortcomings.
    Indeed. We bask in the glory of your mere presence...though a lesser critic might have presented arguments and evidence to support his (preconceived) conclusion, you, O Sensei, have transcended this nonsensical format of "debate" to enlighten us with your pure wisdom.


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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Indeed. We bask in the glory of your mere presence...though a lesser critic might have presented arguments and evidence to support his (preconceived) conclusion, you, O Sensei, have transcended this nonsensical format of "debate" to enlighten us with your pure wisdom.

    I stated what is generally accepted as a fact: Ahmedemontard is crazy as hell.

    You decided to argue that instead of the point of the thread. And now you are arguing me instead of the point of the thread. Please get back on track or remove yourself from adult conversation.

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    Re: US Engages in Combat with Iranian Military Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I stated what is generally accepted as a fact: Ahmedemontard is crazy as hell.

    You decided to argue that instead of the point of the thread. And now you are arguing me instead of the point of the thread. Please get back on track or remove yourself from adult conversation.
    Nay, dear boy. You proved unable to support that inaccurate conclusion (which the rational analyst would consider to have some pertinence to Iranian military operations ), in favor of inane ranting about "accepted fact." Considering the inaccurate nature of what your "evidence" would likely have been, you're incorrect by default.

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