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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Dear oh dear, does this debunk Gore?
    That humans are having a negative effect on the habitats of this earth and the natural environments? Good luck on that.

    If taxing higher prevents lazy people getting in a car every damn day and walking once in a while - Job well done
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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yes, but the enviroloons have already predicted this would be used and so they have numerous quotations that suggest it was just a media thing and non-scientific but that TODAY we have science behind global warming.

    Yet even those scientists who claim they have better science cannot answer why it is the earth has cooled and warmed on three other prehistoric occasions.

    Without this answer, any theories attempting to suggest that the current warming trend, which began before man invented the automobile, are caused by man are beyond specious; they are loony.
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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That humans are having a negative effect on the habitats of this earth and the natural enviroments? Good luck on that.

    If taxing higher prevents lazy people getting in a car every damn day and walking once in a while - Job well done
    At least -you- have the honesty to admit that its not about the environment, its about changing society to be what to you think it should be.


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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    At least -you- have the honesty to admit that its not about the environment, its about changing society to be what to you think it should be.



    You missed my point but whatever turns you on
    It's all about the enviroment and preserving what we have.

    It's only lazy people who use cars when there is perfectly good public transport - Trains, trams, buses, bikes and you choose petrol?


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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That humans are having a negative effect on the habitats of this earth and the natural environments? Good luck on that.

    If taxing higher prevents lazy people getting in a car every damn day and walking once in a while - Job well done
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    t's only lazy people who use cars when there is perfectly good public transport - Trains, trams, buses, bikes and you choose petrol?
    I could embrace your arguments here if it weren't for 3.5 reasons:

    1) Our government

    2) Most auto manufacturers

    3) Enviroloons

    3.5) I'm not lazy (can't speak for everyone, so .5)

    1-3 are the root cause on this issue. Our governments knew back in the '70's about the potential problems faced by being reliant on oil.

    Yet, they did nothing, along with most of the auto manufacturers.

    1977 Volkswagen Rabbit 50 mpg highway 40 mpg city. What happened?

    32 years ago, VW was clearly on top of the problem. Today we have auto manufacturers touting 36 mpg highway.

    Our governments failed to implement satisfactory standards, the auto manufacturers ignored the wants of the consumer, and the enviroloons didn't lobby hard enough for the right reasons, to achieve the desired results.

    Now we're in panic mode (needlessly), and we're seeing common sense being thrown to the wayside, for unproven expensive alternatives, that can't even be guaranteed to solve our transit/oil reliance problems. Let alone address the ill conceived notion that we, as humans, are causing catastrophic, irreversable changes to Mother Earth.

    Want to study the generational patterns on Mother Earth, look to the geologists for answers:

    By the way, this is the chart, based on ice core readings taken in Antarctica, that Gore uses in his film An Inconvenient Truth. Gore doesn’t try to explain why this roller coaster has occurred, since if changes in carbon dioxide levels were causing the cycle of glaciations and interglaciations, as Gore implies, then the logical question is what caused the changes in carbon dioxide levels?

    Gore doesn’t say, because to do so would destroy his case, but here’s what science says: temperature changes precede carbon dioxide level changes by several hundred years, and temperature changes are caused by changes in solar intensity called the Milankovitch Cycles, not carbon dioxide. The Milankovitch Cycles, based on the earth’s changing position in relation to the sun, appear to be the ultimate drivers of climate over the past few million years.


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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    I could embrace your arguments here if it weren't for 3.5 reasons:

    1) Our government

    2) Most auto manufacturers

    3) Enviroloons

    3.5) I'm not lazy (can't speak for everyone, so .5)

    1-3 are the root cause on this issue. Our governments knew back in the '70's about the potential problems faced by being reliant on oil.
    I'm aware US faces more worse problems than Europe generally.

    I have always wondered, does US have trains that takes you from one state to another and if not, why not? Surely it'd be more cheaper and enviroment friendly than flying.


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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    You missed my point but whatever turns you on
    It's all about the enviroment and preserving what we have.

    It's only lazy people who use cars when there is perfectly good public transport - Trains, trams, buses, bikes and you choose petrol?
    No. I choose gasoline....because my gas-hog V8 van one-ton cargo van is perfectly good transport to take one fat lazy American to work all by himself, and back again, too.

    It's my fat lazy life, not someone else's. I don't recall electing anyone to interfere in my private business.

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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. I choose gasoline....because my gas-hog V8 van one-ton cargo van is perfectly good transport to take one fat lazy American to work all by himself, and back again, too.

    It's my fat lazy life, not someone else's. I don't recall electing anyone to interfere in my private business.
    Thanxs for letting me breath the fumes from your gas hog, COUGH.

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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm aware US faces more worse problems than Europe generally.

    I have always wondered, does US have trains that takes you from one state to another and if not, why not? Surely it'd be more cheaper and enviroment friendly than flying.
    In England, you go more than 200 miles in a single direction, and you're most likely in salt water.

    That's a commute for some people I know that work in Los Angeles but live in San Diego. Everyweekend, off they go...

    We fly because its..

    faster for the distances travelled,
    safer,
    and cool.

    Almost all of Europe can be fit into California and Oregon. It's three thousand five hundred miles from LA to New York. A choo choo train takes a week, one way.

    A "bullet train" would take all day, assuming some terrorist hasn't destroyed the tracks. Who the hell would want to take a train to span an entire continent?

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    Re: UW-Milwaukee Study Could Realign Climate Change Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Thanxs for letting me breath the fumes from your gas hog, COUGH.
    No prob.

    Any time.

    The wifey drives a nice big Suburban, too.

    I'm doing my part as a good citizen to delay the next ice age. Have you done your share?

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