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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by cascadian View Post
    A couple thoughts about assumptions behind the rhetoric here:

    1) Is there something to the climate of fear that the Obama administration is talking about? That is, can fear in and of itself contribute to a downward spiral where people stop investing and buying?

    If so, should the administration take it upon itself to inspire confidence?
    The answer to number one is "YES." But the question becomes how does one inspire confidence by suddenly changing messages for purely political convenience?

    The rhetoric isn't here in this thread; it is coming from a media and administration that campaigned on rhetoric of fear in order to promote the same old tired Liberal agenda packaged in a new wrapper.

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    2) Has anything significant happened to the economy since the election season comments of McCain? It seems to me that you can point to a stabilization of the banking industry (which could be considered a fundamental) since then.
    The only significant thing happening to the economy is a now steady downturn with no end in sight. I don't see any stabilization yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by cascadian View Post
    If you answer "yes" to these questions, then I don't see much to criticize Obama on here except an awkward change in tone.
    How trite, you see an "awkward change in tone" while people like me see a desperate change from the typical demagoguery of a party that for the last four years tried to tell us how terrible EVERYTHING was and then when they got into power, fear mongered in order to pass the largest spending bill in the history of mankind with no debate about how to pay for it.

    Interesting view you have there.


    Quote Originally Posted by cascadian View Post
    This isn't just a political "gotcha", you have to form an opinion about what is and has been happening to our economy.
    But once more you are wrong; this isn't a political gotcha at all; it is a blatant illustration of outright hypocrisy from a party that fear mongered, lied and distorted their way into power.

    But thanks for the desperate attempts to downplay the despicable behavior of a willing media and political party that wouldn't know "honesty" if it slapped them on their thick moronic skulls.

    What they did to Bush, McCain and Palen was despicable and downplaying it is disingenuous at best.

    And now when Obama sounds and acts like Bush did, we should just pretend that the left in this country played nicely?

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah. The economy is fixed, but we must keep fixing it. Gotcha.
    Keep fixing it til it's broke.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Keep fixing it til it's broke.
    I suspect that the REAL point of the evasion here is that he doesnt think the 'stimulus' spending should be stopped under any contitions -- even of the economy is handomely roaring along -- because, after all, more money spent by Democrats = more votes bought by Democrats.

    It is, after all, all about gaining and retaining as much political power as possible.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The answer to number one is "YES." But the question becomes how does one inspire confidence by suddenly changing messages for purely political convenience?
    I'm not following you here, if "Yes there can be a downward spiral", then why is it you are proposing this message is purely for political convenience and not an effort to stabilize the economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The only significant thing happening to the economy is a now steady downturn with no end in sight. I don't see any stabilization yet.
    Well, now you've answered "no" to one of my questions, which means a debate actually focuses on what you think the economic reality is.

    Certainly, the economy isn't rosy, but I do think the eminent danger, wherein major banking institutions required to keep cash flowing in our economy have stabilized. Yes we still face a serious recession, but that is a much more normal problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How trite, you see an "awkward change in tone" while people like me see a desperate change from the typical demagoguery of a party that for the last four years tried to tell us how terrible EVERYTHING was and then when they got into power, fear mongered in order to pass the largest spending bill in the history of mankind with no debate about how to pay for it.
    Given that TARP was ushered in by the Bush admin, I'm not sure why you're making a party distinction here.

    Obviously if you can only look at the stimulus package as an uneccessary spending package, as opposed to taking the necessary action to get the economy on track, then you're going to be frustrated.

    When you actually look at what they are saying they aren't really painting that rosy of a picture. They're basically saying that it's a buyer's market, there are some good values out there, and we're going to pull out of this eventually if we don't give in to fear. IF you believe that the stimulus package was the right response and that the necessary actions are now underway, then there's nothing hypocritical about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But once more you are wrong; this isn't a political gotcha at all; it is a blatant illustration of outright hypocrisy from a party that fear mongered, lied and distorted their way into power.
    I think you wouldn't come to this conclusion without answering "no" to #2. So I wouldn't consider myself wrong on this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    And now when Obama sounds and acts like Bush did, we should just pretend that the left in this country played nicely?
    Hmmm.... I wouldn't say that was my point really. I just think that you have to buy into a lot more of the Republican narrative for this to be anything meaningful.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    - even of the economy is handomely roaring along -- because, after all, more money spent by Democrats = more votes bought by Democrats.
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    And you would be wrong as usual.
    Last edited by winston53660; 03-16-09 at 06:48 PM.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I ask you one question?

    Is the comparison and are the questions valid in this instance?
    Yes?
    No?

    The answer:
    He has changed his tune to one that is diametrically opposed to everything he's said on the subject to date.

    Pre-election he was all sunny tomorrows.
    Yes we can.

    He's been all over the place like a dog's dick in a few months.
    Is he going to give us a personality of the month thingy?

    So.
    Are the questions and observations consistent with his behavior?

    I think you wasted a good bullet on this thread.
    It might have worked on another, one aimed at mocking The Great Messiah.
    Truthfully, I am growing tired of Obama's comments on the economy, seeming being either emotional or for political gain. However, that does not weaken my point in any way. The extreme right will attack Obama no matter what. The extreme left will support him no matter what. You and others are good examples of this.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How so? This thread to me shows obama will say whatever he thinks is best besides the reality either way....


    There are far more appropriate threads for you to pull this out of your quiver. This is not one of them my friend.
    This quiver is appropriate on a lot of threads on this forum. I posted my objective position on Obama's actions in this matter. I see lots of attacks and some apologies, but few positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong again; this thread illustrates what a bunch of profound hypocrites Liberals and Democrats are and how they will do and say anything to get elected.

    Bush and McCain made the same statements and were kicked in the crotch for them. But now when the Obama Admin says it, suddenly it has respect.

    Carry on.
    Yet another example of what I presented. I knew I could count on you, TD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Can you actually discuss anything without your whining about “perceived” partisanship histrionics?

    Think for just one second in your life; how does one have a POLITICAL debate forum without "partisan" issues.

    Carry on; your clown like assertions illustrate that you couldn't possibly carry out a coherent debate if your life depended on it.
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    White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'Three times in three different threads, today, TD. Cease the condescending personal attacks, or their will be infractions in your future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: White House says economy is sound despite 'mess'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Truthfully, I am growing tired of Obama's comments on the economy, seeming being either emotional or for political gain. However, that does not weaken my point in any way. The extreme right will attack Obama no matter what. The extreme left will support him no matter what. You and others are good examples of this.
    Frankly, you are the one with blinders on.
    I am a partisan, but not a blind one.
    When Bush strayed, I stood up in opposition.
    TARP, Immigration, Compassionate Conservatism to name three.

    Obama never has deviated from his party.
    He reflects its most extreme wing.
    Infanticide, and Marxist... "spread the wealth around" economics.

    I don't believe in socialism.
    I know it, I was one.
    If you don't believe in it, how can you defend or accept it?

    Conservatives would never vote to send troops to war as a vote for political expediency, and then turn on their own military when the battle got tough... also for political expediency.

    That is the sole realm of the Democrat Wacko's.
    That... is extreme to the extreme.
    Extremely disgusting too.

    Now...

    To prove your theory dead wrong
    ... may I enter Exhibit 1A:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ink-slips.html
    ALERT TO LIBS
    Please be seated.


    I heard a short bit about what Obama wants to do with schools and teachers.
    I heard his Secretary of Education make their case with Wolf Blitzer.

    I liked most of what I heard.

    I think they have a number of good ideas.
    Promote teachers on merit.
    The Secretary of education actually parroted my reasoning.
    Let the Principals do the firing. They are closest to the situation.

    Which means Principals that run crap schools will get the axe.
    The dead weight moves out and a better manager can take their place.
    Just like businesses.

    Lengthen the school year.
    Keep schools open longer for activities concerning arts and tutoring.

    All great stuff.

    We need educated folks to compete with other nations.
    Japan, China. Germany. India.

    We can acquire theirs, but this comes with risks.
    If I were "extreme", a partisan hack... I'd simply ignore the statements made by the Obama Administration on this subject.

    I'm simply an honest broker who devoutly believes in Conservatism.

    And likes to have fun with the libs... at their expense.
    Ridiculing the ridiculous is an effective means of educating.

    There is much to ridicule with president Teleprompter, his manic depressive behavior, and his not fit for prime time team of Frau Overcharge, Secretary I'm drowning in the deep end (Dept. of Energy), the unprepared Tax Cheat, and Biden to name a few.


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    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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