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Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

For those who believe legalizing marijuana in California will help alleviate the state's budget woes... let me ask this. Who will be responsible for tracking all that legal marijuana, performing quality control, and most important, ensuring it does not cross California's borders into states that don't want it?

If a shipment of marijuana is transported from a legal 'farm' in California to some other state, could the 'farmer' who allowed that shipment to slip out be prosecuted by either California, or the state in which his illegal pot ends up?

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Someone else who grazes the truth with a dose of reality. It's always refreshing to see people who truly "get" it.
 
I think raising property taxes would help their economy. It was prop 8 or 13 that put a severe limit on that and then property values went out the wazzooo.

Just like the lottery helped to fund education? I see you still refuse to get it. :2wave:
 
I am getting absolutely tired of this argument and the blatantly erroneous premises upon which anti-legalization proponents base their position.

There is no reason to argue against the legalization of marijuana...NONE. There is no legal reasoning, there is no logical reasoning, there is no philosophical reasoning, there is no moral reasoning. ANYONE who thinks otherwise, please inform me so that we can proceed to have a true debate on the topic, otherwise, keep your silly, emotionally-based arguments to yourself because I'm tired of hearing them.

What I find most ironic, is some of the most vehement defenders of the Second Amendment resort to the EXACT same tactics as the anti-gun crowd with their idiotic and nonsensical demonizing of an inanimate object. How can you defend guns against a brazenly idiotic premise while utilizing the exact same premise against marijuana? How can one fail to see this!? The hypocrisy of some people is simply astonishing.

Yeah that's it; I bet you thinking ranting is a form of coherent argument as well. :roll:
 
Other nations are not my concern, nor are appeals to the majority. Foreign legal systems are unique to their region and history, therefore, I am not interested in discussing the efficacy or validity of their drugs laws; their business is their own.

What concerns me is the arguments against legalization in the US. They are blatantly wrong in every way conceivable. There is no legal, logical, moral, or philosophically legitimate argument against legalization; it simply does not exist. We are a nation of liberty engendered by NEGATIVE RIGHTS. Americans would do well to familiarize themselves with this concept as it seems to escape them with some regularity. If you feel my argument is without merit, then let us proceed with a true debate.

.....because you say so. ;)
 
I'll take the pro-drug crowd over your whiny diatribes. I have yet to see you formulate a structurally sound argument. In fact, most of your arguments are very emotional.

Awwww looky here, Egofftib is trolling again. Carry on! :2wave:
 
Yet you require none from Ethreal or Hatuey? Your selective evidence requests are noted. :cool:

......Not sure....but I don't think I need evidence to support legalizing weed based on the negative effects prohibition has. Or is it that once a substance is legalized and allowed to be controlled by the market that the crime related to that substance continues to exist as the same level as before? Do we still have bootleggers and speakeasies?
 
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So more jobs and a taxing on marijuana would not help? Please.

What planet do you live on? Planet denial? Can you please show me how an increase in revenues of over 40% over the last 5 years, the lottery or any other tax scheme has prevented California from spending it's way into a $40 billion deficit?

You can't fabricate the level of denial it takes to think that if we just found ONE more thing to TAX it would make California, or the Federal Government, whole again.

California is descending into a ****hole for becoming a Liberal cesspool run by legislative morons who never saw a tax they didn't like, an entitlement they couldn't entitle and an illegal immigrant they didn't want to convert to ignorant Democrats to keep them in power and a Liberal court that didn’t want to release criminals back into society so that they can once more prey on the citizens of the State to keep the prisons a comfortable place to live and not overcrowd them.

Carry on. I have to chuckle when I watch liberals rail about finding creative new ways to create jobs and tax revenue by legalizing a drug that turns you into a slobbering moron.

Next they will want to stamp serial numbers on bullets so they can trace who shot the nefarious bullet. Oh wait, they already tried that and FAILED. Democrats and Liberals are like little children who suffer from naiveté’ that would be cute if it just weren’t so damned destructive to society, jobs and the economy. You think you can just legislate and tax your merry way to prosperity while putting down morality and common sense. :rofl
 
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Debates should always be about logic and reason.

This is quite amusing coming from someone who wouldn't recognize logic or reason if it slapped them on the head? Watching you claim others are ridiculous is the definition of irony.

Carry on. :rofl
 
What planet do you live on? Planet denial? Can you please show me how an increase in revenues of over 40% over the last 5 years, the lottery or any other tax scheme has prevented California from spending it's way into a $40 billion deficit?

You can't fabricate the level of denial it takes to think that if we just found ONE more thing to TAX it would make California, or the Federal Government, whole again.

California is descending into a ****hole for becoming a Liberal cesspool run by legislative morons who never saw a tax they didn't like, an entitlement they couldn't entitle and an illegal immigrant they didn't want to convert to ignorant Democrats to keep them in power and a Liberal court that didn’t want to release criminals back into society so that they can once more prey on the citizens of the State to keep the prisons a comfortable place to live and not overcrowd them.

Carry on. I have to chuckle when I watch liberals rail about finding creative new ways to create jobs and tax revenue by legalizing a drug that turns you into a slobbering moron.

Next they will want to stamp serial numbers on bullets so they can trace who shot the nefarious bullet. Oh wait, they already tried that and FAILED. Democrats and Liberals are like little children who suffer from naiveté’ that would be cute if it just weren’t so damned destructive to society, jobs and the economy. You think you can just legislate and tax your merry way to prosperity while putting down morality and common sense. :rofl
Again, and not surprisingly, you fail to grasp your opponent's argument. Confirmation bias seems to be your best friend.
 
This is quite amusing coming from someone who wouldn't recognize logic or reason if it slapped them on the head? Watching you claim others are ridiculous is the definition of irony.

Carry on. :rofl
The definition of irony is you hounding me for trolling. :lol:
 
......Not sure....but I don't think I need evidence to support legalizing weed based on the negative effects prohibition has. Or is it that once a substance is legalized and allowed to be controlled by the market that the crime related to that substance continues to exist as the same level as before? Do we still have bootleggers and speakeasies?

You don't need evidence because like many Liberals, common sense and sound thoughtful arguments are unnecessary, it's how you FEEL that matters.

Opium dens used to be legal too. Why did they close them?

You mistakenly think that this will be the California miracle to balanced budgets and job opportunity by legalizing a drug that is basically a depressant; how quaint and naïve.

There’s a reason people who smoke pot don’t get into fights, it would require EFFORT.

Carry on. :rofl
 
Dodging and deflecting? Seems to be your Modus Operandi lately. Feel fre to refute his argument and prove him wrong anytime. I won't hold my breath.

You couldn't have an original thought if you could buy one. Carry on, I have yet to see you come up with anything resembling coherent or beyond mindless ramblings.
 
You don't need evidence because like many Liberals, common sense and sound thoughtful arguments are unnecessary, it's how you FEEL that matters.
More partisan mudslinging. I still find it terribly amusing that you have yet to formulate an argument based on evidence for why Marijuana should remain illegal... In any thread we have discussed it in. You continue to post arguments about people on drugs spending away their life savings(personal choice, not a crime) or individuals who assault others while intoxicated(the crime is called assault, by the way).
 
More partisan mudslinging. I still find it terribly amusing that you have yet to formulate an argument based on evidence for why Marijuana should remain illegal... In any thread we have discussed it in. You continue to post arguments about people on drugs spending away their life savings(personal choice, not a crime) or individuals who assault others while intoxicated(the crime is called assault, by the way).

Yet those arguments were not what I made.

Now run along, your emotional trolling is tiring.
 
Are you familiar with the term "coherent"? It would appear not.

The only thing apparent is your inability to recognize the definition of trolling. I am beginning to think it starts with an "e" and ends with a "b".

Did you mention one time in here that you are an educator? If so, it doesn't surprise me the state our schools are in failing to truly educate our youth.
 
You don't need evidence because like many Liberals, common sense and sound thoughtful arguments are unnecessary, it's how you FEEL that matters.

Opium dens used to be legal too. Why did they close them?
Comparing Opium dens to Marijuana only shows the dishonesty you bring to the debate and proves once and for all that you do not value Truth.

There is no comparison to the addictive qualities of opium to marijuana.

Comparing Marijuana to Opium is like Comparing Alcohol to CRACK COCAINE.
 
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Comparing Opium dens to Marijuana only shows the dishonesty you bring to the debate and proves once and for all that you do not value Truth.

There is no comparison to the addictive qualities of opium to marijuana.

Comparing Marijuana to Opium is like Comparing Alcohol to CRACK COCAINE.

But comparing pot to alcohol makes perfect sense? Do you think that pot cannot be laced with opiates? Do you think hashish cannot be laced with opiates?

Remember the originator of this argument:

Originally Posted by Hatuey
......Not sure....but I don't think I need evidence to support legalizing weed based on the negative effects prohibition has. Or is it that once a substance is legalized and allowed to be controlled by the market that the crime related to that substance continues to exist as the same level as before? Do we still have bootleggers and speakeasies?


No one is attempting to compare opium to pot, it was an example of the specious nature of Hatuey’s argument.

Here it is because obviously it went over your head; prohibition didn’t work, therefore we should not prohibit the use of marijuana. But if this is true, why make cocaine or heroine or even opiates illegal? After all, people will still use them and whose business is it of ours to tell people what drugs they can use if they only hurt themselves? Isn’t this after all the jist of the legalize drug crowds argument?

Imagine all the tax revenue this will bring in!!! Imagine the jobs it will create!!! Imagine the possibilities.

Or are you suggesting the argument is must be something quite different? Frankly, watching you suggest someone is being dishonest is quite ironic when almost any debate I have seen you enter into requires the willful suspension of honesty and disbelief.

So tell me what the argument is if not what I have listed above oh great and honest Liberal from Europe (at least I think you are European based on your confused priorities and philosophical point of view).
 
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marduc said:
What I would like to expect is a lack of stereotyping and reciprocal honesty from all.

What irony; a Liberal wanting honesty. :2wave:

What is amusing is that you area missing the real irony in this.

Thank you for reinforcing my point.
 
What laws are you exactly talking about. I expect links BTW per country and per law.

We've gone over some of these earlier in the thread. They're always very quickly dismissed because it turns out they aren't popular with the vocal supporters of legalization.

This list doesn't cover every nation in the world. But it's a good overview:

Legality of Cannabis, Wikipedia
 
We've gone over some of these earlier in the thread. They're always very quickly dismissed because it turns out they aren't popular with the vocal supporters of legalization.

This list doesn't cover every nation in the world. But it's a good overview:

Legality of Cannabis, Wikipedia


Wow those laws are soooo tough for example:

Finland
In practice, possession or manufacture of cannabis products is considered to be a minor misdemeanor punishable by a minor fine (normally in the range of 60-500 euros). A supreme court decision of 2004 set up a "half a dozen" precedent: Cultivation of up to 6 plants for personal use is subject to the same penalties as personal use. The same applies to distribution and use within a "closed circle of users"
 
Who is going to grow all this marijuana that the Government makes legal and tax?

American farmers living in California, just as others are growing grapes, olives, oranges ect., why do you not just look at the bill that is the subject of discussion.


The issue isn’t whether they will focus on “other” drugs like cocaine and heroine, the issue is they will continue to grow Marijuana which will be LEGAL and continue attempting to get people HOOKED on cocaine and heroine which are far more profitable and easy to move than tons of Cannabis.

Marijuana is their biggest cash crop because that is where the huge majority of the demand lies.

Basic economics, if better quality goods are produced here and sold at lower costs, their market vanishes. They cease production and distribution because the incentive is not there.. money. You seriously do not understand that?


There is a LOT of evidence that marijuana merely leads to much stronger drug use. After a while, you just can’t get the thrill from smoking dope and turn to stronger alternatives.

Really?? gateway argument? Anyone who has used marijuana laughs at the absurdity of this argument every time it is presented.


The notion that the drug trade will somehow go away and enforcement problems will be minimized by legalization are absurd arguments that are not supported by the facts. The notion that many people smoke dope because it helps them to relax or concentrate is equally specious; it is to get a thrill. And once that thrill is worn out, they usually turn to stronger drugs for their “thrills.”

I skydive for thrills. But I suppose you are the expert at knowing why people smoke pot, so I will concede here :roll:



Yes, quite the argument comparing computer software to mind altering drugs; you cannot possibly be serious can you?

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Did you really think that was the comparison I was making or are you purposely being obtuse?

I was comparing a business to a business. Can you really not tell that, or understand how an analogy works? If not then I am certainly wasting my time with you.

Carry on; remember what the debate is about; Marijuana will rescue California's economy. It won't because we heard the same specious arguments about the lottery solving our school budget problems, how cigarette taxes would solve our budget problems etc etc ect; yet we always seem to have a budget problem.

If you honestly believe this argument, there is a bridge in Arizona I would like to sell you.

Noone said it was a miracle panacea, the premise is that it will helprescue the economy. I had to explain this to someoine earlier in this thread, is it that difficult to understand the word "help"?

Is $1.3 billion more in the coffers instead of 0 going to help the situation?

speculating on future spending and what may or may not happen is a smokescreen you are using to deflect from the issue, itr is a simple question




Now why do you suppose that is? Could it be that our Government officials spend money like addicts do drugs? :roll:

different topic different argument.
 
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