• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

Oh reduced to personal attacks. FAIL

Wow. Your inconsistency is cute :

I say over and over again it should be legal. Put down the bong and pay attention.

sure is. I already stated I don't drink like some smoke. "short term"....

And yet your liver is useless. :confused: Do you want to try and run that by the logic factory once again? Maybe it'll make more sense the second time around.

And I agreed that it should be handled like alcohol, short term issues hautey? :lol:

Personal attacks.

Cry baby cry baby.

What is your point? Do you even remember it

Seriously. Consistency is NOT your forte.

Irrellevant

Of course it's VERY relevant. Substance you can directly die from consuming too much of. Legal. Illegal substance you can not directly die from. Illegal. Use a bit of logic son. Seriously you're making this too easy.

Where did I say weed smokers bad? I said chronic weed smokers are dirtbags like drunks.

How many non-drunks do you know that have ruined livers due to drinking? Denial much?

I am neither. My liver is perfect. Thank you for your concern.

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
always been..... though this liver is prolly useless....

is it useless or was it a "funny" please concentrate on your attacks please. Your utter failure is rather humorous given your divergent points about me.

:rofl It's fun to watch you and your FAIL seizures. You seem to take pride and fun in your ruined liver even though it's useless. Reverend. Seriously. You're stepping up to the wrong intellectual on this forum.

I can not comment due to the VEGAS rule.

Well thankfully for me I'm not dumb enough to talk about ruined livers upstairs. :)

More personal attacks. Please exhibit a modicum of self control. thank you.

:lol: is it useless or was it a "funny" please concentrate on your attacks please.

Wow. Are you seriously this inconsistent in real life? Or is it once you have to write down your ideas that you're inconsistent? I'm really curious. I mean you seem to lack all sense of coherence after a while and can't wait to snap. I mean it's almost cute. Like a 7 year old screaming Ha-ha even though you haven't said anything relevant in a few posts.
 
Wow. Your inconsistency is cute :





And yet your liver is useless. :confused: Do you want to try and run that by the logic factory once again? Maybe it'll make more sense the second time around.

I can only tell you my liver is perfect over and over again. It is your choice if you want to join us in reality or not.




Cry baby cry baby.



Seriously. Consistency is NOT your forte.

Personal attacks a sign of weak debate.

Of course it's VERY relevant. Substance you can directly die from consuming too much of. Legal. Illegal substance you can not directly die from. Illegal. Use a bit of logic son. Seriously you're making this too easy.

Irrellevant. Make what easy. Please. you are no longer making sense.

How many non-drunks do you know that have ruined livers due to drinking? Denial much?


Personally? None. I don't hang around abusers if I can help it.

If your liver is actually shot, not a simple forum joke that you obtusly have taken seriously, then you are an abuser.

My liver for the 7th time is perfect as I treat my body well.


[
:rofl It's fun to watch you and your FAIL seizures. You seem to take pride and fun in your ruined liver even though it's useless. Reverend. Seriously. You're stepping up to the wrong intellectual on this forum.


Oh your an intellectual now. :lol: Please hautey, you haven't even made coherent sense yet....


8th time, my liver is perfect. I don't abuse alcohol or weed.


Well thankfully for me I'm not dumb enough to talk about ruined livers upstairs. :)




You started a thread in basement about the thing you just bragged about. We had conversations about it. I will refrain from commenting due to the vegas rule unless I get a green light from a mod.



Wow. Are you seriously this inconsistent in real life? Or is it once you have to write down your ideas that you're inconsistent? I'm really curious. I mean you seem to lack all sense of coherence after a while and can't wait to snap. I mean it's almost cute. Like a 7 year old screaming Ha-ha even though you haven't said anything relevant in a few posts.



Again, you make little sense. WTF are you bloviating about? :rofl
 
Last edited:
Well, here's the thing, in the summer in some neighborhoods everyone does, so the cops are clearly enforcing the law arbitrarily so they can pick up anyone they think looks "suspicious".




This is beyond wrong, and yes if true, legalizing it would kill this ability.
 
1. The difference between my conclusion and your conclusion is you are trying to act as though my conclusion should lead to yours. The video proves that being moderately high can allow a person who is a regular smoker of marijuana the ability to concentrate better.

No, the difference between your conclusion is mine is that you are making apologies for someone who is driving while impaired and I am not.

When the driver was not high, he could drive and focus on everything else which was because he could pay less attention to the road and still drive ok. When the driver was high, his perception was distorted, not so much to not allow him to do normal tasks but enough that he had to focus himself on a task at hand to get it done.

In bold. He said it. You said it. Yet you dismiss it. This is the problem with many pro-legals. HIS PERCEPTION WAS DISTORTED. I do not want him on the road. Same as someone who drinks who's perception is distorted.

You are making a great case for me to alter my position from being pro-legal. When some of you give this type of erroneous information, like saying it is OK for someone with a distorted perception to drive, you make it sound like all you want is your weed. It makes your position very weak, and makes people who are on the cusp reject that position.

When high you have to concentrate, which is something people who have a hard time concentrating cannot do on there own, with moderate use of marijuana this is possible. People have to focus on the task at hand, in order to get things done. There is no multitasking involved.

No, you have to force yourself to concentrate because your perception is distorted. If you can do that under those conditions, you can do it better when your perception is not distorted.

And driving involves a lot of multitasking. If you are saying that multi-tasking is diminished, that's yet another reason why someone who has smoked should not drive.

2. You brought up the fact of smoking being bad for your lungs or what not because it is cancerous. I bring up butter because it is not nearly as cancerous form of ingestion as smoking and offers the same effects. Neutralizing your argument of cancer.

Please point out the post where I mentioned smoking and cancer.
 
It's not quite as simple as everyone smokes pot, and therefore the cops can wantonly lock up anyone. But I do find that within certain demographics (which are not necessarily race based but age based) the near certainty of weed use has given the police unbelievable freedom.
 
Don't smell like pot? :confused:

So i can hypothetically be harassed for wearing a scent (cologne/incense) that "someone" perceives as pot?!?!

Ill be going back to Cali this summer to stock up on cannabis enriched food. :cool:
 
So i can hypothetically be harassed for wearing a scent (cologne/incense) that "someone" perceives as pot?!?!

Ill be going back to Cali this summer to stock up on cannabis enriched food. :cool:




I agree that it is wrong. But given the legal LEO world we live in, does it make it smart?
 
No, the difference between your conclusion is mine is that you are making apologies for someone who is driving while impaired and I am not.



In bold. He said it. You said it. Yet you dismiss it. This is the problem with many pro-legals. HIS PERCEPTION WAS DISTORTED. I do not want him on the road. Same as someone who drinks who's perception is distorted.

You are making a great case for me to alter my position from being pro-legal. When some of you give this type of erroneous information, like saying it is OK for someone with a distorted perception to drive, you make it sound like all you want is your weed. It makes your position very weak, and makes people who are on the cusp reject that position.



No, you have to force yourself to concentrate because your perception is distorted. If you can do that under those conditions, you can do it better when your perception is not distorted.

And driving involves a lot of multitasking. If you are saying that multi-tasking is diminished, that's yet another reason why someone who has smoked should not drive.



Please point out the post where I mentioned smoking and cancer.

1. I was only showing how you can smoke marijuana and still focus, something you got wrong. I am not condoning smoking while or before you drive, just like the video does not promote it. Those were not true driving situations, those were simple tasks to perform, and the video showed how marijuana can be used positively for focusing on simple tasks.

2. You mentions how smoking it is detrimental to your health did you not, and I contradicted that fact by pointing out you do not have to smoke it.
 
1. I was only showing how you can smoke marijuana and still focus, something you got wrong. I am not condoning smoking while or before you drive, just like the video does not promote it. Those were not true driving situations, those were simple tasks to perform, and the video showed how marijuana can be used positively for focusing on simple tasks.

The error in your reasoning is that it is not the marijuana that helps you focus. It is the act of having the distorted perception that forces you to attempt to focus more. You would get the same reaction if you had to do something, while being in a lot of pain. Marijuana is not the issue. Overcoming an issue is.

2. You mentions how smoking it is detrimental to your health did you not, and I contradicted that fact by pointing out you do not have to smoke it.

Yes, I did...in passing. Others mentioned the cancer issue. Smoking it is but one of the health effects. Although ingesting it in other ways is much safer, similar to heavy alcohol use, heavy marijuana use will cause some of these other health effects.
 
I agree that it is wrong. But given the legal LEO world we live in, does it make it smart?

I guess it depends if your carrying or not. The "product" i typically work with, if left in a bag and not a sealed jar would convince most people that i got to close to a skunk.

Regardless, smoking weed is for the 60's and 70's generation. My generation of stoners (the real ones) typically rely on vaporization and edible consumption. Smoking is on the outs.
 
Although ingesting it in other ways is much safer, similar to heavy alcohol use, heavy marijuana use will cause some of these other health effects.

I would like to know these perceived health risks. Care to elaborate?
 
I would like to know these perceived health risks. Care to elaborate?

With the exception of the health concerns brought on by smoking anything, all others still apply. Increased heart problems, increased psychiatric problems, suppressing the immune system, and memory issues can occur regardless of how the substance is ingested.
 
seriously just conduct some primary research. get a case of beer and see what you do and how you feel afterwards.

get an eighth and do the same.

So your research suggests that because you drink and get into fights, beer makes you hostile.

Does anyone else see how moronic this sounds. :roll:
 
You have to think about this though.

Would you rather have legal marijuana sold by convenience stores or violent gangs and cartels based on marijuana distributorship and sales?

Do you honestly think that by legalizing marijuana the drug cartels will be out of business?

Good lord; new argument to legalize drugs: Government get's revenue. :rofl
 
With the exception of the health concerns brought on by smoking anything, all others still apply. Increased heart problems, increased psychiatric problems, suppressing the immune system, and memory issues can occur regardless of how the substance is ingested.

Could you provide me with a credible study, in which thc and other cannabinoids are associated with immune suppression and heart problems. Not the "smoke", of course, but the active ingredients users seek.
 
the standard that weed should be held to is liquor.

so the burden is to prove that weed is worse for you then liquor.

I absolutely believe that weed is completely less harmful then liquor.
 
Do you honestly think that by legalizing marijuana the drug cartels will be out of business?

Good lord; new argument to legalize drugs: Government get's revenue. :rofl

It is well documented that black markets restrict discrete supply, and therefore keeps the pricing mechanism in the fashion of an exverted supply curve and an exverted demand curve. Therefore the situations of quantity surpluses will fail to reduce price at almost all levels.

To sum it up, these are super windfall profits for the high risk, high reward illicit drug business.
 
the standard that weed should be held to is liquor.

so the burden is to prove that weed is worse for you then liquor.

I absolutely believe that weed is completely less harmful then liquor.

LOL, i guess it all depends on what "worse" is. In the minds of many, because it is illegal, it is therefore worse!:lol:
 
It is well documented that black markets restrict discrete supply, and therefore keeps the pricing mechanism in the fashion of an exverted supply curve and an exverted demand curve. Therefore the situations of quantity surpluses will fail to reduce price at almost all levels.

To sum it up, these are super windfall profits for the high risk, high reward illicit drug business.

and the lower barrier to entry in selling weed allows people to raise funds for the much more lucrative hard drug business.
 
LOL, i guess it all depends on what "worse" is. In the minds of many, because it is illegal, it is therefore worse!:lol:




I think a comparison of the two is irrellevant. The fact that alcohol when abused is far worse than weed, does not mean that weed is good for you by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Back
Top Bottom