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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I had long been a supporter of not legalizing marijuana. This is one of the issues that folks at DP have changed my mind on. I do not smoke, nor do I have any intention of smoking. My reason for the legalization of marijuana is to end the stupid, money wasting war on drugs, and use the money towards something far more valuable: rehabilitation. Not every person who tries alcohol or marijuana becomes an addict, but some do. And with the out of control costs of mental healthcare/rehab services, many of these people will remain addicted...and continue to be unproductive members of society. With my plan, the war on drugs is abandoned. Marijuana is taxed. All monies spent on the war on drugs, and 25% of all taxes collected from marijuana (and alcohol, too) are placed in a fund for rehabilitation services. Those that want to get help for their addiction, but who cannot afford it, with be "scholarshiped" (based on a screening with specific criteria). Other services that these people can receive would be temporary subsidized housing and job training.

    Our money would be far better spent attempting to rehabiliated those whose only crime is marijuana use than locking these people up in jails.

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    Prohibition doesn't work. We already know this. Decriminalize it, tax it, sell it. It's not nearly as volatile an intoxicant as alcohol, which is legal. As has already been pointed out, we spend a lot of money on combating this substance through enforcement and incarceration. It would be a major win economically. The amount of collateral crime associated with it would begin to subside, jail and prison populations would be slightly reduced and the costs associated with overcrowding would go down, medical costs to jails and prisons would go down, you could use the tax money to improve rehabilitative programs and put more enforcement resources on the street against truly destructive drugs like meth, heroin, and crack.

    Legalize it now.
    Well then, it is true...great minds really do think alike...sort of. Your statement talks about ending the "war on drugs." Which I agree with, it's a foolish enterprise the way it's currently being conducted. What I'm curious about it your stance on other more highly destructive drugs like heroin, crack, and meth. I believe we should continue to go after the distributors of these substances, but offer alternatives to incarceration for their abusers (relating to crimes of possession, purchase) such as in and out patient rehabilitation, vocational training, community service, etc. For other crimes where their addiction was determined to be a primary factor in their culpability, rehabilitation should obviously be a part of their sentence, but there should still be some traditional punishment (incarceration, restitution, probation, etc.).

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Show me where I said "every", come now, even though i think you are a lunatic fringe liberal, I know you are smarter than this....
    Where did I ever say that you said "every". Why don't you go back and read the posts....I know you are smarter than this.

    Your original argument was the pretty much all of the people that you know who smoke weed make weed about their life. That they become all absorbed in it.

    I think that is FAR from the truth.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    You know what makes me lazy and unmotivated?

    Being exhausted because I stayed out until 2 and having a splitting hangover.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Weed isn't physically addictive.
    Actually, weed can be physically addictive. Just like most substances. The thought that it is not is a misnomer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well then, it is true...great minds really do think alike...sort of. Your statement talks about ending the "war on drugs." Which I agree with, it's a foolish enterprise the way it's currently being conducted. What I'm curious about it your stance on other more highly destructive drugs like heroin, crack, and meth. I believe we should continue to go after the distributors of these substances, but offer alternatives to incarceration for their abusers (relating to crimes of possession, purchase) such as in and out patient rehabilitation, vocational training, community service, etc. For other crimes where their addiction was determined to be a primary factor in their culpability, rehabilitation should obviously be a part of their sentence, but there should still be some traditional punishment (incarceration, restitution, probation, etc.).

    I saw your post on this, so I wanted to share my "plan", again. Been throwing this out there for about a year. Great minds do think alike.

    I haven't thought too much about other substances in my plan. I would think that if all of these drugs were legal, there would be far fewer illegal/violent distributors, and those that there were would be illegal black market sellers anyway, and subject for arrest on that matter. Heroin I would probably keep illegal, just because of the impact that the drug has on our opiate receptors and how absolutely simple it is for anyone to become addicted. Crack and meth I see as similar. I agree, though. One who is caught on with possession as their crime, should be offered rehab as an option, if they are deemed appropriate after a screening process. Even if they have committed a crime, along with their incarceration, rehab would only be an option if they were deemed appropriate after the screening. I would have no intention of wasting tax payers dollars to rehabilitate someone who has no intention of staying clean.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I haven't thought too much about other substances in my plan. I would think that if all of these drugs were legal, there would be far fewer illegal/violent distributors, and those that there were would be illegal black market sellers anyway, and subject for arrest on that matter. Heroin I would probably keep illegal, just because of the impact that the drug has on our opiate receptors and how absolutely simple it is for anyone to become addicted. Crack and meth I see as similar. I agree, though. One who is caught on with possession as their crime, should be offered rehab as an option, if they are deemed appropriate after a screening process. Even if they have committed a crime, along with their incarceration, rehab would only be an option if they were deemed appropriate after the screening. I would have no intention of wasting tax payers dollars to rehabilitate someone who has no intention of staying clean.

    I just have to say this. I got this one friend that is a notorious crack head. She got busted shop lifting the other night. It has happened so many times the charges are being pushed up to a felony. Thank goodness she got busted because being in prison is the only thing that will save her life.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    I think the answer to this is fairly simple. If you believe the governance and management of the state of California over the past few decades should serve as a model for financial sanity, then by all means, legalize and tax marijuana.

    On the other hand, if you wonder why the state with the most natural resources, best ports for trade, best climate, best universities, and some of the most dynamic cities in the nation can't seem to pay its bills...

    ...then a hare-brained plan to tax marijuana might give you just a little moment of pause.


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I think the answer to this is fairly simple. If you believe the governance and management of the state of California over the past few decades should serve as a model for financial sanity, then by all means, legalize and tax marijuana.

    On the other hand, if you wonder why the state with the most natural resources, best ports for trade, best climate, best universities, and some of the most dynamic cities in the nation can't seem to pay its bills...

    ...then a hare-brained plan to tax marijuana might give you just a little moment of pause.

    California is currently facing a water shortage, farmers are shutting down acreage, so much for climate.
    I wonder if it had a shortage of illegal aliens, would its ability to pay its bills be better?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    California is currently facing a water shortage, farmers are shutting down acreage, so much for climate.
    Knocking California's great climate because it's suffering from a drought is like knocking your star quarterback because he's suffering from a sore wrist. He's still far better than the average player.

    Every state, depending on its location, has climate issues and problems to address. And most states would be quite happy to enjoy the climate California enjoys. Compared to most states, it has a very good climate, which is a major reason its agricultural production has been first in the nation for over 50 years. CA Dept of Food & Agriculture

    All states face drought. The solution to drought is sound planning and water management. California's irrigation and water management problems are a direct result of insufficient reservoir systems and too few damn, among other factors. Often these projects, necessary to provide water, are blocked due to environmental objections who oppose 'corporate agribusiness.'

    Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger praised Senator Dave Cogdill’s (R-Fresno) introduction of SB 371, the Safe, Clean, Reliable Drinking Water Supply Act of 2009, another thinly disguised attempt to build a peripheral canal and more dams....

    However, a coalition of recreational and commercial fishing groups, environmental organizations, Indian Tribes and others are opposing any proposal that includes a peripheral canal and more dams. The purpose of the canal and more dams is to create the infrastructure to export more water to corporate agribusiness on the west side of the San Joaquin Valley at a time when Central Valley Chinook salmon, delta smelt, longfin smelt, green sturgeon and other fish populations are in collapse, due to massive water exports out of the California Delta and declining water quality in recent years.
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    You can raise all the new taxes in the world... but if you can't use them to build new or restore old infrastructure... you'll not get very far.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Interesting. If they fully legalize marijuana (not happening), don't you think it would force the Obama administration to rethink its position on those pot raids for political survivability?
    What exactly would that change about legalizing marijuana?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

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    Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?



    Damn it. Happiness. Heart attack. California. Damn. It.
    So you want to turn little children into potheads?
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