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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Lets take your scenario.

    The man takes a grevious injury and is spurting blood and it seems every few minutes even more blood starts pouring out.

    Now, yes, you need to get more blood into the body.

    However JUST getting blood into the body is not going to "rescue" the body, because it will just bleed it all back out again. All it is doing is prolonging the issue.

    Thus why some are arguing that Pot isn't going to magically "rescue" California's economy all on its own.

    Now lets keep going to further explain peoples rational.

    So you do the blood transfusion, new blood is in the body but its still coming out at a bad clip.

    Now, the next step, is STOPPING the bleeding (well, that should've came before the transfusion if possible). But lets say the doctors there, for whatever reason, simply don't have the medical knowledge to actually figure out how to successfully stop the bleeding.

    This is the issue of some other posters in here. Essentially, that the politicians in California do not have, in this case the will, to do the massive spending cuts that would need to be done simultaneously to stop the bleeding.

    Finally, in your analogy, our patient is STILL not out of the woods because we haven't addressed the underlining illness that has caused him to bleed from all over his body. If he goes untreated he may be well for a while but soon enough he's going to start bleeding again.

    In this case, people talking about this in this thread that say that Marijuana alone isn't going to Rescue California's economy basically is of the belief that the politicians and the laws in Cali make it so that the root causes that made this happen stay in place.

    So to "save" this person that is having blood flow out of them is to not only give them a transfusion, but to close the wound, and then solve the underlining issue. If all of those things aren't done, then its setting the person up for death again...it just depends if its soon or a little later.

    So what they're saying is the transfusion alone, Marijuana and Hemp alone, is not going to "Rescue" anything unless some significant changes happens at a law and governmental level...which they appear to believe won't be the case.
    Well stated, however it will fall on blind eyes; your patience is far beyond my capacity for tolerance and I applaud you for it.


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You once more would be wrong with this assertion. California was in it's troubles long before the recent economic events and has been in this problem for decades NOT because of a LACK of revenue, revenues have increased by over 40% over the last five years, but because we have a boatload of ignorant Liberal Democrat politicians in Sacramento who spend the vast amounts of revenue that come into Sacramento faster than it comes in.

    It's not that WE have a revenue problem; it is a SPENDING problem which appears to be a common affliction with Liberals and Democrats.

    The notion that POT, or HEMP, or LOTTERIES, or Indian Gaming revenue will somehow stem the tide of red ink Liberal Politicians in California negligently spend requires the willing suspension of logic and reality.

    Read my lips; NO amount of revenue can stem the stupidity that currently infests Sacramento much like the current stupidity that infests the Federal Bureaucracy.
    What are some of these spending programs that you think are causing all of CA problems?

    I lived in CA, for about 15 years during the tech boom and it was doing fine. I was there when Gray Davis was ousted and it was still doing fine...

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now, the next step, is STOPPING the bleeding (well, that should've came before the transfusion if possible). But lets say the doctors there, for whatever reason, simply don't have the medical knowledge to actually figure out how to successfully stop the bleeding.

    This is the issue of some other posters in here. Essentially, that the politicians in California do not have, in this case the will, to do the massive spending cuts that would need to be done simultaneously to stop the bleeding.
    Your analogy is falling down here.

    California isn't in the hands of "doctors" who have the desire to stop the bleeding but are unsure of how to go about it.

    California's been taken over by a team off vampires and their goal isn't merely to keep the body bleeding, but to increase the flow of blood no matter what.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Finally, in your analogy, our patient is STILL not out of the woods because we haven't addressed the underlining illness that has caused him to bleed from all over his body. If he goes untreated he may be well for a while but soon enough he's going to start bleeding again.

    In this case, people talking about this in this thread that say that Marijuana alone isn't going to Rescue California's economy basically is of the belief that the politicians and the laws in Cali make it so that the root causes that made this happen stay in place.

    So to "save" this person that is having blood flow out of them is to not only give them a transfusion, but to close the wound, and then solve the underlining issue. If all of those things aren't done, then its setting the person up for death again...it just depends if its soon or a little later.

    So what they're saying is the transfusion alone, Marijuana and Hemp alone, is not going to "Rescue" anything unless some significant changes happens at a law and governmental level...which they appear to believe won't be the case.
    True enough. The vampires are eagerly looking at laws that would allow them to tax marijuana for one reason only....they want more tax dollars...and they'll poke more holes in the body to make sure that blood flows out, too.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    What are some of these spending programs that you think are causing all of CA problems?

    I lived in CA, for about 15 years during the tech boom and it was doing fine. I was there when Gray Davis was ousted and it was still doing fine...
    The list of wasteful spending is long, where to start? But this begs the quesiton, do you really think there are none?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The list of wasteful spending is long, where to start? But this begs the quesiton, do you really think there are none?
    There's plenty. That hardly means that legalizing Cannabis would not at least mend some of these wounds until a regime change occurs. No one is claiming that legalization is the panacea for every problem in CA.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    I don't know how much of California's spending is waste. But it's a fairly simple matter to identify where the major expenditures go.

    Over 40% is for education, including K-12 and higher, and about 25% is for health and human services.



    It's also a fairly simple matter to understand where the revenue comes from:



    Over half of the revenue comes from income and corporate taxes. Sales and other taxes make up another large piece. Together, cigarette and alcohol taxes generate roughly 1% of the income. Not insignificant. But no doubt offset by the related expenditures for health and human services.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    There's plenty. That hardly means that legalizing Cannabis would not at least mend some of these wounds until a regime change occurs. No one is claiming that legalization is the panacea for every problem in CA.
    Legalizing will do NOTHING to stem the red ink in this state. The point being that the State is run by Liberal Democrats who find a way to spend well beyond their means REGARDLESS of the sources of revenue any more than the lottery or Indian Gaming taxes.

    The lottery was once going to be the panacea to education funding; that was a lie.

    Indian gaming revenues and taxes would bring in the necessary revenue to fill the gap between revenues and spending; that was a lie.

    It is like alcoholism or drug addiction; you don't solve their addictions by giving them MORE; you end it with COLD turkey and stark REALITY. The citizens are done with the games the chicanery, being taxed to death and the excuses. It is time to exercise responsible control and manage within their means or find themselves kicked out of office.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Legalizing will do NOTHING to stem the red ink in this state. The point being that the State is run by Liberal Democrats who find a way to spend well beyond their means REGARDLESS of the sources of revenue any more than the lottery or Indian Gaming taxes.

    The lottery was once going to be the panacea to education funding; that was a lie.

    Indian gaming revenues and taxes would bring in the necessary revenue to fill the gap between revenues and spending; that was a lie.

    It is like alcoholism or drug addiction; you don't solve their addictions by giving them MORE; you end it with COLD turkey and stark REALITY. The citizens are done with the games the chicanery, being taxed to death and the excuses. It is time to exercise responsible control and manage within their means or find themselves kicked out of office.
    If you think that legalizing weed(therefore creating revenue) will do nothing to aid the economy, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    If you think that legalizing weed(therefore creating revenue) will do nothing to aid the economy, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.
    What study or studies would you recommend we examine to determine the actual cost/benefit of marijuana legalization, either in California or nationwide?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    What study or studies would you recommend we examine to determine the actual cost/benefit of marijuana legalization, either in California or nationwide?
    What studies would you recommend we examine that identify the benefits and ROI of the war on drugs? What studies would you recommend we examine that show legalizing marijuana would result in a negative impact upon California or nationwide?
    *insert profound statement here*

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