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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Bull****.


    More bull****.


    Not only bull**** but ignorant too.
    cry much?

    More ignorance. I would rather have a chronic weed smoker on my payroll than an alcoholic. You would too if you weren't clueless about the the subject. I think you've watched too many Cheech and Chong type movies.

    I see you still haven't read my total opinion.



    Actually... mathematically speaking, legalizing Marijuana and Hemp could probably save our country from ruin, which is the direction we are headed... ruin.

    silly pot heads, overestimating thier importance.




    It's not just a medicine, it's also a recreational herb.

    I smoke weed daily, own my own company, have friends and family and lead a productive, tax paying life. It helps me sleep. I enjoy smoking a little while reading or watching TV in the evening. Sometimes I get high on the weekends while I work in the garden... you're simply ignorant.
    Good for you, you use weed as a crutch for life. look at how "ignorant" i am. you proved my point.




    You called everyone who smokes weed in CA (and really worldwide) a lazy, unmotivated baffoon. It doesn't get much more ignorant than that.
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    is that what I did? or did your short term memory fail you again as you typed it.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Slippery slope, i do not agree with you on much. But, your statement about hemp was spot on. As far as fuels go, you produce 4 times the amount of cellulose in an acre of hemp, than you do with corn. Also, bio diesel made from hemp is non toxic (of course to a certain level), and has a neutral carbon release.

    Does anyone want to argue against the economic boost a viable hemp industry could provide?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    That got me thinking. The amount of jobs lost by jail guards, and drug enforcement officers will surely be made up in farmers, producers, retailers, transportation (it has to get from one place to another), education and help groups, etc....
    I don't think you will see any reduction in law enforcement or prison guards at all. They are already shorthanded, overworked, and facing a huge backlog. Jails and prisons typically operate at critical guard-to-inmate staffing levels. I think what you will see is a more reduced and more manageable jail/prison environment and more focus on crime prevention instead of reaction.

    This will create jobs in the areas you've described and positively impact the issues surrounding the criminogenic impact of incarceration on non-violent drug offenders.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Trish Regan's marijuana special is going to be on CNBC after the Bernanke report.

    Basically they are responding to our thread
    Woot! She's fine as hell too. Thanks for the heads up, DVR is set!
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're having difficulty because you've had a transparent, obvious, see through agenda that a blind man could spot 30 miles away from the point that you came into this thread and as such its benefits your position to act confused and having difficulties because you've not once in this entire thread had a legitimate reason for why it shouldn't be legalized, instead continually and repeatedly deflecting with things such as "Well, look at other countries laws" which is not a reason or "Well, your arguments for it aren't consistant" which isn't an argument against it.

    You can't MAKE an argument against it so you attempt to use the logic that because people want it legalized for different reasons that somehow means it shouldn't be legalized which makes no logical sense at all and is a non-argument. You act confused by peoples responses because you have no ability to make one of your own so its your only defense to tread water.

    Its no wonder this has gotten little traction in the voting booth because people like you who can't apply logic, can not look at this in any way besides a purely emotional and propoganda filled way, continue to try and mislead and confuse the general population about matteres.

    People in this thread have given a large amount of potential reasons why it SHOULD be legalized; from economical, to constitutional, to security, and on. Give us one or two good reasons why it should be ILLEGAL, not pointing to another country going "look at how they're doing it", but actual REASONS you believe the federal government should tell people they are not allowed to grow, sell, or use marijuana.
    That's such a gross misrepresentation of what's been going on here it's almost laughable. I admitted early on in the thread that I'm very skeptical. But I didn't come to the thread to argue against legalization. I came here to participate in a debate on the issue. Unfortunately any poster who dares raise questions it quickly ganged up on... or simply dismissed as a deluded social conservative.

    There is an obvious and powerful agenda in this thread. It's the agenda of those here who are frustrated and angry as hell that their drug of choice is illegal. I can understand their frustration. But it's obviously interfering with their ability to carry on an honest debate.

    Carry on...


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Its a matter of sheer economics. Lower prices will reduce the amount of firms willing to enter/stay in the market. Open competition (where as we have closed) will work to push prices down, while improving quality and hopefully create novelties.
    Like I said:

    The drug cartels aren't going anywhere, and neither are the other criminal elements associated with drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do you honestly believe they can compete with capital investors willing to pour millions of taxed, clean money into production, transportation, retail, and most importantly R&D? If licenses are auctioned
    Joaquin Loera will definitely be able to compete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Pablo Escobar (a murderer) will probably not be able to be present to sign for his cash paid license export.
    No. He's not going to show up, because he's dead.

    The leaders of the drug cartels don't need a license, they'll simply hire managers much like the casino's did back in the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The black market cannot exist when a good is available for some form of legal retail. There are black markets for guided missile systems. Why, it is a supply side issue due to the lack of entry to the legal missile system store (monopsony).
    Wow, that's a bold statement. Black markets are alive and well in this country.

    As I pointed out previously, guns, cigarettes, booze, animals, bootleg dvd/cd,
    cigars and the list goes on and on and on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Oh you mean fenced goods? Yes, they do exist and at even cheaper prices to the buyer.
    They get sold by the lower level black market entrepreneur.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do you know what happens when a drug dealer gets robbed by another?
    Yes I do.

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    Long run or short run? I believe a viable tourist industry can be created on top of the golden aura of Hollywood.
    As I stated in a previous post. Legalizing marijuana will generate revenue, but it won't rescue California's economy.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    There is an obvious and powerful agenda in this thread. It's the agenda of those here who are frustrated and angry as hell that their drug of choice is illegal. I can understand their frustration. But it's obviously interfering with their ability to carry on an honest debate.
    And more of your obvious attempts at hiding the fact that you DO have an agenda and are trying to play coy shine through. I've never touched weed. I've stated such in this thread. I knew I was going to work in a federal job and wished to be able to answer a background check honestly. Reverend, someone who in this thread has stated he doesn't smoke weed, agree's with its legalization. I don't believe Gottahurt smokes, but he's supporting of its legalization. Numerous others in this thread have not stated one way or another about their usage of marijuana and you instantly belive they're arguing for their "Drug of choice" simply because they disagree with you and believe that this should be legalized for the plethora of different reasons people have.

    The only one not debating here is you, because you're the one not making a stand one way or another but are essentially playing 20 questions while trying to dodge any specific topic and trying to use the fact that people all want the same thing for various reasons as some kind of way to distort the issue and say it shouldn't happen rather than come up with a legitimate reason why it shouldn't.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Do you have link for that?
    It's common knowledge that Kennedy sold alcohol before and after prohibition.

    Joseph was the US distributor for several British alcohol distillers. He held a US government license to import alcohol for medicinal purposes. He had a large inventory that he sold for a gain of millions of dollars when Prohibition was repealed in 1933. He invested these gains in residential and commercial real estate, the Merchandise Emporium in Chicago and Hialeah Race Track

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The only one not debating here is you, because you're the one not making a stand one way or another but are essentially playing 20 questions while trying to dodge any specific topic and trying to use the fact that people all want the same thing for various reasons as some kind of way to distort the issue and say it shouldn't happen rather than come up with a legitimate reason why it shouldn't.
    I don't believe it's necessary for me to make a case 'against' legalization in order to participate in this discussion. If it is, then I'll gladly bow out of the thread.

    I've asked what I believe to be reasonable questions. Some have been answered, others not. It's not clear to me, for instance, whether legalizing marijuana would result in an increase or decrease in usage. It's not clear whether California will be a destination for drug 'tourism' and how that will be handled. (Clearly, my state won't be legalizing it anytime soon.) It's not clear to what extent legalization of marijuana would reduce our overall drug enforcement expenditures... either in California or in the U.S. as a whole. It's not clear whether advocates of this bill would also support legalization of 'hard' drugs. One of the main arguments favoring marijuana legalization is that it's relatively harmless. But then a number of posters have suggested ALL drugs should be legalized. So who's distorting the issues? Is this thread to be limited to a discussion of marijuana only or the War on Drugs in general?

    I know that Californians will be asking these kind of tough questions. So if these questions are seen as 'distorting the issue,' then they face a tough battle ahead.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Like I said:

    The drug cartels aren't going anywhere, and neither are the other criminal elements associated with drugs.
    You hide and watch as they become legitimate traders. They only use violence in order to protect their interests. If it's legalized and they don't have to worry about smuggling and getting caught, they will brand and package their **** and offer their goods for legal export. They can move more and do it without threat of law enforcement seizing their goods. And who really cares at that point? The criminal element will still be a criminal element, but the basis on which they operate insofar as smuggling marijuana will evaporate.

    Joaquin Loera will definitely be able to compete.
    Good for him. Capitalism baby.

    No. He's not going to show up, because he's dead.
    Pretty much.

    The leaders of the drug cartels don't need a license, they'll simply hire managers much like the casino's did back in the day.
    There is a lot more cost and risk associated with illegally trafficking marijuana. If possible they will move to quickly to become legitimate purveyors of their product because the market will see an increase in demand and the risk will drop through the floor. No more need to find smugglers, no more need to network in the criminal underground to move the product on the street, no more seized vehicles/cash/product. They aren't stupid, they'll move with the market.

    Wow, that's a bold statement. Black markets are alive and well in this country.

    As I pointed out previously, guns, cigarettes, booze, animals, bootleg dvd/cd,
    cigars and the list goes on and on and on.
    This point is almost irrelevant because the vast majority of people buy those products legally right now. The black market may be alive and well but it's not exactly significant at all compared to the legal market. Good businessmen go out of their way to avoid unnecessary risk and maximize profit margins. The price of black market pot will drop through the floor in the face of a legal free market product where manufacturers can legally grow the best bud possible and then market it openly. Consumers also seek to avoid risk and only buy off the black market if they can get something dirt cheap or something that they can't otherwise legally obtain.

    There will be very little money in black market pot and nothing but high risk.
    *insert profound statement here*

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