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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    The Kennedy's sold their liquor openly.
    Do you have link for that?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post


    The topic is whether it will rescue California's economy. I don't think it will.
    The topic of the thread and the article that promted the thread is:

    Can Marijuana help Rescue California's Economy?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    The drug cartels aren't going anywhere, and neither are the other criminal elements associated with drugs.
    Its a matter of sheer economics. Lower prices will reduce the amount of firms willing to enter/stay in the market. Open competition (where as we have closed) will work to push prices down, while improving quality and hopefully create novelties.

    The cartels will merely set up legal operations and employ illegal workers.
    Why would they give up their empires, when they can reduce operating costs by going legal?
    Do you honestly believe they can compete with capital investors willing to pour millions of taxed, clean money into production, transportation, retail, and most importantly R&D? If licenses are auctioned, Pablo Escobar (a murderer) will probably not be able to be present to sign for his cash paid license export.

    The criminal element will always exist, it's called the black market. They'll ignore the tax laws and sell non taxed pot.
    The black market cannot exist when a good is available for some form of legal retail. There are black markets for guided missile systems. Why, it is a supply side issue due to the lack of entry to the legal missile system store (monopsony).

    How many black market industries exist in America? Cigarettes, guns, booze etc...
    Oh you mean fenced goods? Yes, they do exist and at even cheaper prices to the buyer. Do you know what happens when a drug dealer gets robbed by another?

    The topic is whether it will rescue California's economy. I don't think it will.
    Long run or short run? I believe a viable tourist industry can be created on top of the golden aura of Hollywood.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    I'm in favor of legalization.

    I think you've misjudged a few things in your post here though.

    The drug cartels aren't going anywhere, and neither are the other criminal elements associated with drugs.

    The cartels will merely set up legal operations and employ illegal workers.
    Why would they give up their empires, when they can reduce operating costs by going legal?
    If it is just marijuana legalization, yes they will shift their focus to other drugs, however that is a market that has a limited demand, they are not gong to create a demand out of thin air. Will they attempt to switch to gambling and other endeavors, some undoubtedly will not want to see their empire crumble.

    California alone is not going to bankrupt the cartels or make a major impact on them, however if we legalized and controlled pot nationwide that would take away their cash cow. Pot is estimated to account for 65-70% of revenues for drug cartels in Mexico and Columbia. Will it send them out of business? no. Will it drastically impact the scale at which they operate? yes.


    The criminal element will always exist, it's called the black market. They'll ignore the tax laws and sell non taxed pot.

    How many black market industries exist in America? Cigarettes, guns, booze etc...
    And how much of a market is there for moonshine compared to the market for illegal alcohol during prohibition?

    How many gangs are running around shooting people in our streets with tommy guns or todays equivalent Ak-47's over Alcohol.

    There will be a small black market I am sure, for pot it will be out of the hands of the cartels though. If we sell a superior quality product at lower prices there will be no impetus for them to risk costly and risky smuggling operations. A small scale domestically produced black market like we see for moonshine is the most likely result.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Trish Regan's marijuana special is going to be on CNBC after the Bernanke report.

    Basically they are responding to our thread
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Trish Regan's marijuana special is going to be on CNBC after the Bernanke report.

    Basically they are responding to our thread
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yeah by creating a state of unmotivated buffoons. That sure would help the california economy.
    Could you link us to your information that proves such a claim, or are you just making some **** up out of ignorance?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Could you link us to your information that proves such a claim, or are you just making some **** up out of ignorance?



    read the thread. or are you making my point for me?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I find most people I come across that smoke weed daily, are usually about weed. As if it is there life. They weed before things like career, family, safety of there children, there own personal saftety, or anything of the like.
    Bull****.

    It no longer becomes about what ever activity they are doing, but more about how they can get high while doing whatever thing it is they are doing.
    More bull****.

    I find people like this limited in life and I pity them.
    Not only bull**** but ignorant too.

    I have no respect for buffoons like this. Sure there are people who use marijuana responsibly, but just like the alcoholic, the chronic weed smoker is not the type of person I would hire, trust, or consider a value to society.
    More ignorance. I would rather have a chronic weed smoker on my payroll than an alcoholic. You would too if you weren't clueless about the the subject. I think you've watched too many Cheech and Chong type movies.

    The idiocy, that making weed available could be the sole savior of the California economy is stupid. Nothing but the rantings of a weed first buffoon.
    Actually... mathematically speaking, legalizing Marijuana and Hemp could probably save our country from ruin, which is the direction we are headed... ruin.

    Oh and if weed is truly a medicine, it is immoral for California to tax it. Unless the whole thing is a sham.
    It's not just a medicine, it's also a recreational herb.

    I smoke weed daily, own my own company, have friends and family and lead a productive, tax paying life. It helps me sleep. I enjoy smoking a little while reading or watching TV in the evening. Sometimes I get high on the weekends while I work in the garden... you're simply ignorant.

    You called everyone who smokes weed in CA (and really worldwide) a lazy, unmotivated baffoon. It doesn't get much more ignorant than that.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Lol...as cool as that group sounds, realistically speaking I could never join it until I completely retired. I would be run out of a very good job and right now, I like providing for my family. I would be crucified.

    Although I will tell you, I've sat through many staff meetings in which we openly discussed legalizing weed. The Drug Task Force agents were all behind, as was 2/3rds of the staff. You just don't say that **** publicly in the bible belt though. It's a good way to have the conservatives here destroy your career and even damage your personal property. They'll pull that board right out of their ass and beat you down with it when it comes to legalizing marijuana.
    I live in the bible belt as well and I know what you mean. It's not just weed however. I had to remove anything liberal looking from my truck because I've had it damaged (keyed, bumper sticked scratched off). I've even had the Darwin fish pried off and an Obama sticker PAINTED over.

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