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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Yeah by creating a state of unmotivated buffoons.
    Please explain, how would legalizing marijuana create a state of unmotivated buffoons? A step-by-step analysis would be most welcome.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You have to think about this though.

    Would you rather have legal marijuana sold by convenience stores or violent gangs and cartels based on marijuana distributorship and sales?
    That's not really a good argument. Replace marijuana with heroin. Or child porn. Or anthrax.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's not really a good argument. Replace marijuana with heroin. Or child porn. Or anthrax.
    Yea but there is no violent black market for anthrax.

    Child porn has a victim whether its legal or not.

    Heroin and marijuana are generally victimless.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    I had long been a supporter of not legalizing marijuana. This is one of the issues that folks at DP have changed my mind on. I do not smoke, nor do I have any intention of smoking. My reason for the legalization of marijuana is to end the stupid, money wasting war on drugs, and use the money towards something far more valuable: rehabilitation. Not every person who tries alcohol or marijuana becomes an addict, but some do. And with the out of control costs of mental healthcare/rehab services, many of these people will remain addicted...and continue to be unproductive members of society. With my plan, the war on drugs is abandoned. Marijuana is taxed. All monies spent on the war on drugs, and 25% of all taxes collected from marijuana (and alcohol, too) are placed in a fund for rehabilitation services. Those that want to get help for their addiction, but who cannot afford it, with be "scholarshiped" (based on a screening with specific criteria). Other services that these people can receive would be temporary subsidized housing and job training.

    Our money would be far better spent attempting to rehabiliated those whose only crime is marijuana use than locking these people up in jails.

    Disclaimer: This is the bare bones of my plan. If you want more details, please ask.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I had long been a supporter of not legalizing marijuana. This is one of the issues that folks at DP have changed my mind on. I do not smoke, nor do I have any intention of smoking. My reason for the legalization of marijuana is to end the stupid, money wasting war on drugs, and use the money towards something far more valuable: rehabilitation. Not every person who tries alcohol or marijuana becomes an addict, but some do. And with the out of control costs of mental healthcare/rehab services, many of these people will remain addicted...and continue to be unproductive members of society. With my plan, the war on drugs is abandoned. Marijuana is taxed. All monies spent on the war on drugs, and 25% of all taxes collected from marijuana (and alcohol, too) are placed in a fund for rehabilitation services. Those that want to get help for their addiction, but who cannot afford it, with be "scholarshiped" (based on a screening with specific criteria). Other services that these people can receive would be temporary subsidized housing and job training.

    Our money would be far better spent attempting to rehabiliated those whose only crime is marijuana use than locking these people up in jails.

    Disclaimer: This is the bare bones of my plan. If you want more details, please ask.
    Just because I support legalization doesn't mean I actually believe people that smoke it are smart.
    I honestly don't agree with it but its not my choice.

    I have an addictive personality. I rarely drink alcohol and I stopped smoking weed about 8-9 years ago.

    I have a hard time quitting smoking cigarettes because of me.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    California does not have the right to legalize Marijuana.

    Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Until the 10th Amendment has that idiotic commerce clause amended, California doesn't have a chance or at least by law they do not have a chance.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    California does not have the right to legalize Marijuana.

    Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Until the 10th Amendment has that idiotic commerce clause amended, California doesn't have a chance or at least by law they do not have a chance.
    Commerce between the states does not mean within the states.

    They have the authority.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Commerce between the states does not mean within the states.

    They have the authority.
    Wrong that commerce clause gives the federal government the right to ban any good for sale/possession. It is the only thing holding the DEA together.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea but there is no violent black market for anthrax.

    Child porn has a victim whether its legal or not.

    Heroin and marijuana are generally victimless.
    Firstly, when you make a qualifier as "generally" you weaken your argument, considerably. Secondly, my argument is around the legality, not whether there is a victim.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Wrong that commerce clause gives the federal government the right to ban any good for sale/possession. It is the only thing holding the DEA together.
    With historical perspective in mind it was created to stop the states from raising tariffs on other states for protectionist reasons.

    It was clearly designed to regulate commerce between the states.
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