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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yeah by creating a state of unmotivated buffoons. That sure would help the california economy.
    You have to think about this though.

    Would you rather have legal marijuana sold by convenience stores or violent gangs and cartels based on marijuana distributorship and sales?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    ahh thanks for the clarification. that said, why is it taxed if its medication?
    I already showed why it was.

    The board ultimately decided that medical marijuana was not exempt from sales taxes because it was not dispensed by a pharmacist or approved by the Food and Drug Administration as a medication.
    One little word "prescription".. medical MJ is not a prescription medicine (ie pharmaceutically distributed)
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    As a cop for many years I can say without a doubt that I never had to fight somebody that was stoned. I have almost been killed or had to kill a few drunks. I have had to fight dozens of drunks.

    Prohibition doesn't work. We already know this. Decriminalize it, tax it, sell it. It's not nearly as volatile an intoxicant as alcohol, which is legal. As has already been pointed out, we spend a lot of money on combating this substance through enforcement and incarceration. It would be a major win economically. The amount of collateral crime associated with it would begin to subside, jail and prison populations would be slightly reduced and the costs associated with overcrowding would go down, medical costs to jails and prisons would go down, you could use the tax money to improve rehabilitative programs and put more enforcement resources on the street against truly destructive drugs like meth, heroin, and crack.

    Legalize it now.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Just as I thought when I first heard of AB 390 (Ca's proposed Marijuana, control, regulation, and education act) it would generate a minor buzz and gradually pick up steam.

    There were a few snippets here and there immediately after it was proposed, now underscored on the new found media spotlight on Mexican drug cartel violence it is starting to build steam, this is a ball that now that it has started rolling is just going to keep on building more and more momentum.

    Larry King is going to have a debate on marijuana legalization between Congressman Ron Paul and Steven Baldwin (yeah the actor) tonight. Thanks for the spotlight Larry (not that I am enthralled at the participants of the debate, but I love the prime time high visibility audience for this issue)!!

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Just as I thought when I first heard of AB 390 (Ca's proposed Marijuana, control, regulation, and education act) it would generate a minor buzz and gradually pick up steam.

    There were a few snippets here and there immediately after it was proposed, now underscored on the new found media spotlight on Mexican drug cartel violence it is starting to build steam, this is a ball that now that it has started rolling is just going to keep on building more and more momentum.

    Larry King is going to have a debate on marijuana legalization between Congressman Ron Paul and Steven Baldwin (yeah the actor) tonight. Thanks for the spotlight Larry (not that I am enthralled at the participants of the debate, but I love the prime time high visibility audience for this issue)!!
    I think Steven Bladwin is a nice guy(at least from what I have seen on tv about him) but Ron Paul will deal complete pawnage on his ass.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    As a cop for many years I can say without a doubt that I never had to fight somebody that was stoned. I have almost been killed or had to kill a few drunks. I have had to fight dozens of drunks.

    Prohibition doesn't work. We already know this. Decriminalize it, tax it, sell it. It's not nearly as volatile an intoxicant as alcohol, which is legal. As has already been pointed out, we spend a lot of money on combating this substance through enforcement and incarceration. It would be a major win economically. The amount of collateral crime associated with it would begin to subside, jail and prison populations would be slightly reduced and the costs associated with overcrowding would go down, medical costs to jails and prisons would go down, you could use the tax money to improve rehabilitative programs and put more enforcement resources on the street against truly destructive drugs like meth, heroin, and crack.

    Legalize it now.

    Are you familiar with LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)???

    I am sure they would love to hear from you and have you among their ranks, regardless of what capacity your support is.


    Edit: oops was going to post the link to their site: LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - Cops Say Legalize Drugs
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Are you familiar with LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)???

    I am sure they would love to hear from you and have you among their ranks, regardless of what capacity your support is.


    Edit: oops was going to post the link to their site: LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - Cops Say Legalize Drugs
    Lol...as cool as that group sounds, realistically speaking I could never join it until I completely retired. I would be run out of a very good job and right now, I like providing for my family. I would be crucified.

    Although I will tell you, I've sat through many staff meetings in which we openly discussed legalizing weed. The Drug Task Force agents were all behind, as was 2/3rds of the staff. You just don't say that **** publicly in the bible belt though. It's a good way to have the conservatives here destroy your career and even damage your personal property. They'll pull that board right out of their ass and beat you down with it when it comes to legalizing marijuana.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Lol...as cool as that group sounds, realistically speaking I could never join it until I completely retired. I would be run out of a very good job and right now, I like providing for my family. I would be crucified.

    Although I will tell you, I've sat through many staff meetings in which we openly discussed legalizing weed. The Drug Task Force agents were all behind, as was 2/3rds of the staff. You just don't say that **** publicly in the bible belt though. It's a good way to have the conservatives here destroy your career and even damage your personal property. They'll pull that board right out of their ass and beat you down with it when it comes to legalizing marijuana.

    Unfortunately this is a very sad, but true testament to the ongoing and way too longstanding reality of the situation. the vast majority of members of LEAP are retired for a reason.

    The level of anti-prohibition support within law and drug enforcement ranks is kept suppressed because of the ramifications of publicly saying the truth on the issue.

    I empathize with your position. Livelihood, family and career are without question paramount to stating ones views on the reality of the situation. This is changing, but unfortunately it is still tantamount to taking an axe to the bottom of your boat.

    I know of many who off the record are anti prohibition, yet cannot publicly express this due to the ramifications. Support is more widespread than most would believe.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Unfortunately this is a very sad, but true testament to the ongoing and way too longstanding reality of the situation. the vast majority of members of LEAP are retired for a reason.

    The level of anti-prohibition support within law and drug enforcement ranks is kept suppressed because of the ramifications of publicly saying the truth on the issue.

    I empathize with your position. Livelihood, family and career are without question paramount to stating ones views on the reality of the situation. This is changing, but unfortunately it is still tantamount to taking an axe to the bottom of your boat.

    I know of many who off the record are anti prohibition, yet cannot publicly express this due to the ramifications. Support is more widespread than most would believe.
    You'd be surprised just how many veteran officers have let people walk on weed charges. I've dumped peoples personal stash on the side of the road so many times I couldn't bother to count it. It's a lot of paperwork for a misdemeanor crime that could literally ruin their chances of getting many jobs. It's also a good way to turn snitches. Now when it hit the felony amount I took action. You just don't walk from a felony, but Jimmy Boy with his little baggie and one hitter usually got to step with a warning. Hell, I let speeders off with a warning, somebody holding a joint is less dangerous to society so why not?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    I just wonder how this is going to work out with people who get random drug testing at work.I know where I work,we get tested all the time.This could cause a big hiccup,in sales.Unless you work for the state or feds.I have friends who work for both, for over 15 years and never have been tested.

    By the way, weed has been California's largest cash crop a number of years.

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