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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yeah that's it; I bet you thinking ranting is a form of coherent argument as well.
    Are you accepting my challenge to a true debate?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

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    What I would like to expect is a lack of stereotyping and reciprocal honesty from all.
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    What irony; a Liberal wanting honesty.
    What is amusing is that you area missing the real irony in this.

    Thank you for reinforcing my point.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What laws are you exactly talking about. I expect links BTW per country and per law.
    We've gone over some of these earlier in the thread. They're always very quickly dismissed because it turns out they aren't popular with the vocal supporters of legalization.

    This list doesn't cover every nation in the world. But it's a good overview:

    Legality of Cannabis, Wikipedia

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    We've gone over some of these earlier in the thread. They're always very quickly dismissed because it turns out they aren't popular with the vocal supporters of legalization.

    This list doesn't cover every nation in the world. But it's a good overview:

    Legality of Cannabis, Wikipedia

    Wow those laws are soooo tough for example:

    Finland
    In practice, possession or manufacture of cannabis products is considered to be a minor misdemeanor punishable by a minor fine (normally in the range of 60-500 euros). A supreme court decision of 2004 set up a "half a dozen" precedent: Cultivation of up to 6 plants for personal use is subject to the same penalties as personal use. The same applies to distribution and use within a "closed circle of users"

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Who is going to grow all this marijuana that the Government makes legal and tax?
    American farmers living in California, just as others are growing grapes, olives, oranges ect., why do you not just look at the bill that is the subject of discussion.


    The issue isn’t whether they will focus on “other” drugs like cocaine and heroine, the issue is they will continue to grow Marijuana which will be LEGAL and continue attempting to get people HOOKED on cocaine and heroine which are far more profitable and easy to move than tons of Cannabis.
    Marijuana is their biggest cash crop because that is where the huge majority of the demand lies.

    Basic economics, if better quality goods are produced here and sold at lower costs, their market vanishes. They cease production and distribution because the incentive is not there.. money. You seriously do not understand that?


    There is a LOT of evidence that marijuana merely leads to much stronger drug use. After a while, you just can’t get the thrill from smoking dope and turn to stronger alternatives.
    Really?? gateway argument? Anyone who has used marijuana laughs at the absurdity of this argument every time it is presented.


    The notion that the drug trade will somehow go away and enforcement problems will be minimized by legalization are absurd arguments that are not supported by the facts. The notion that many people smoke dope because it helps them to relax or concentrate is equally specious; it is to get a thrill. And once that thrill is worn out, they usually turn to stronger drugs for their “thrills.”
    I skydive for thrills. But I suppose you are the expert at knowing why people smoke pot, so I will concede here



    Yes, quite the argument comparing computer software to mind altering drugs; you cannot possibly be serious can you?

    Did you really think that was the comparison I was making or are you purposely being obtuse?

    I was comparing a business to a business. Can you really not tell that, or understand how an analogy works? If not then I am certainly wasting my time with you.

    Carry on; remember what the debate is about; Marijuana will rescue California's economy. It won't because we heard the same specious arguments about the lottery solving our school budget problems, how cigarette taxes would solve our budget problems etc etc ect; yet we always seem to have a budget problem.

    If you honestly believe this argument, there is a bridge in Arizona I would like to sell you.
    Noone said it was a miracle panacea, the premise is that it will helprescue the economy. I had to explain this to someoine earlier in this thread, is it that difficult to understand the word "help"?

    Is $1.3 billion more in the coffers instead of 0 going to help the situation?

    speculating on future spending and what may or may not happen is a smokescreen you are using to deflect from the issue, itr is a simple question




    Now why do you suppose that is? Could it be that our Government officials spend money like addicts do drugs?
    different topic different argument.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Other nations are not my concern, nor are appeals to the majority.
    Sorry you mistook my very reasonable question as a logic fallacy.

    If I were to argue that murder is wrong because nearly every culture has laws against it... that would be an appeal to majority, a logic fallacy.

    On the other hand, if I were to ask you if the people who support murder laws around the world are all deluded, that would be a reasonable question which I'd reasonably expect you to answer.

    So tell me... if the logic for legalization of marijuana is so common-sensical, so obvious, so plain to see... why do you believe people around the globe don't see that logic in the same common sense way you do?

    Have they all been duped?


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Sorry you mistook my very reasonable question as a logic fallacy.

    If I were to argue that murder is wrong because nearly every culture has laws against it... that would be an appeal to majority, a logic fallacy.

    On the other hand, if I were to ask you if the people who support murder laws around the world are all deluded, that would be a reasonable question which I'd reasonably expect you to answer.

    So tell me... if the logic for legalization of marijuana is so common-sensical, so obvious, so plain to see... why do you believe people around the globe don't see that logic in the same common sense way you do?

    Have they all been duped?


    yup. reefer madness.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Sorry you mistook my very reasonable question as a logic fallacy.

    If I were to argue that murder is wrong because nearly every culture has laws against it... that would be an appeal to majority, a logic fallacy.
    It's not in society's best interest to have people killing each other. Who do weed smokers harm? The reasoning for making them illegal is not the same.

    On the other hand, if I were to ask you if the people who support murder laws around the world are all deluded, that would be a reasonable question which I'd reasonably expect you to answer.
    No. It would be a loaded question that uses the demonization of Marijuana by western culture as a crutch and ignores the fact that marijuana and other drugs are legal depending on locality. As opposed to murder. Which is illegal in not only modernized countries but even backwards countries like Iran.

    So tell me... if the logic for legalization of marijuana is so common-sensical, so obvious, so plain to see... why do you believe people around the globe don't see that logic in the same common sense way you do?

    Have they all been duped?

    You're being purposely obtuse. Marijuana, thanks to religious conservatives has been demonized. This is the sole reason as to why it remains illegal. Mostly because people have been fooled into believing that marijuana is more harmful then alcohol or even advil. As I've said many times.Show me why marijuana should remain illegal and you'll have proven why alcohol, aspirins and hundreds of other legal substances should be banned and made illegal. Your agenda fools nobody. You simply won't. Your inconsistency will show the minute you admit to having used alcohol or any other number of perfectly legal substances.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    For those who believe legalizing marijuana in California will help alleviate the state's budget woes... let me ask this. Who will be responsible for tracking all that legal marijuana, performing quality control, and most important, ensuring it does not cross California's borders into states that don't want it?

    If a shipment of marijuana is transported from a legal 'farm' in California to some other state, could the 'farmer' who allowed that shipment to slip out be prosecuted by either California, or the state in which his illegal pot ends up?

    Falls under federal jurisdiction and laws currently on the books. If ther farmer is responsible for the interstate trafficking, then yes. If he sold it through legal avenues and someone else misdirected it, no.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    But comparing pot to alcohol makes perfect sense? Do you think that pot cannot be laced with opiates? Do you think hashish cannot be laced with opiates?
    Do you not think Alcohol cannot be laced with Opiates?? Ouzo anyone??

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