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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Don't you love how Governor Christ raised the growing 1 plant to a felony offense and criminalizing Salvia?

    It grows to good in this state for them to legalize it, people would be growing in there backyards if it ever got to that point.
    I hadn't heard of the new laws until just now, I nave not needed to keep abreast on cultivation laws for quite a few years now. On a side not I do miss my little closet grow of White Widow plants and the never emptying coffee container full of sticky stinky white buds.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Now I am suspicious of you.
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    If they knew what you knew, they wouldn't have the resources to deal with it.
    If they knew what I knew, things would be real different in schools...actually, the probably wouldn't. They'd still be in denial and wouldn't use the resources they have to help.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I thought about that when I was posting, hydroponics tax would adversely effect a lot of tomato and basil grows though.

    Tightly reign in the breeding program, charge a hefty tax for the latest greatest must have genetics? If you want in on the latest and greatest pay dearly for it, make it illegal to distribute clones to friends and peers? I am not sure I like that last idea, or any of it for that matter, but I am sure there will be some controls in place to discourage home growing, it is too easy to grow, and too many people have dreamed of doing it for too long (a few have at one point in time acted upon it though).

    For public consumption venues, yes a hefty licensing fee.

    paraphernalia tax is ineffectual to, there are too many people well versed in bong making/glass blowing ect. out there who have been doing it under the radar for ages.

    I kind of like the tax stamp for the grow, but how does it get enforced, and how do we insure it is not a corrupted scam with no real stamps to be had like other ploys.
    This is assuming that corporations couldn't put out a superior product. They can afford the genetecists. They will probably figure out a way to make the smoke have different colors. People can grow their own tomatoes but people still buy them at the store. What percentage are actually going to grow their own?

    They could always add it to an existing tax as well. Put a federal "agriculture tax" on their electric bill.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    That reminds me of a rather odd conversation I had with my (WWII vet) grandpa a while back.

    "You know, I'd always thought nobody could touch california but florida has some of the best stuff you'll ever smoke."

    My grandpa was a vietnam vet, he loved smoking him some grass.

    He and my dad both had good times together.

    I remember my dad was telling me he had a few small plants in his room during the 70's and one day he got up and went to California for spring break to catchup with friends. He said when he got back to Florida his plants were huge, bearly able to fit in his room.

    He hung them up in the barn in trash bags and had a field day. More marijuana than he could smoke.

    That night my grandfather came up to my dads room and was talking to him. All of a sudden during the convo, my grandfather winked to my dad and said "Boy...oh yeah while you were gone I watered your tomato plants while you were gone" and then winked at him and left the room.

    How many times do you hear stories about that with Alcohol?

    I will never understand how a substance that brings people down so much like Alcohol can be more socially accepted as Marijuana that all it does it makes you happy.
    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I hadn't heard of the new laws until just now, I nave not needed to keep abreast on cultivation laws for quite a few years now. On a side not I do miss my little closet grow of White Widow plants and the never emptying coffee container full of sticky stinky white buds.
    I know exactly what you mean brother, I had something growing in the shed when the crime was lowest misdemeanor you could get, which was basically the highest penalty you could receive was a fine.

    After the law was changed to a felony being the highest penalty was 5 years, I disposed of my baby. He did this all in response to the rich old ****s in south Florida that elected him who are tired of the state becoming more liberal.

    I maybe economically conservative, but I am definitely socially liberal, like I think most people are in Florida. When all the old people die, we will have our chance.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, let's suppose for the sake of argument that marijuana were legalized. How would it be done?

    I don't think anyone believes we'd be selling or smoking it at the ballpark next to the beer stand... so fill me in on the details...
    Actually, I don't think this would be out of the realm of possibility as long as there was a smoking section.

    Coffee shops?
    Alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed there, so no.

    At home only?
    No.

    Designated pot smoking centers?
    Probably.

    Would it be okay to drive stoned? If you were just 'slightly buzzed' for instance?
    No, same type of consequences as driving drunk. This already occurs.

    Would it be okay to be stoned at work? One hit at lunchtime while your buddy has his beer?
    I suppose that would depend of the employer. If I were the boss, both would be immediate grounds for dismissal.

    Could one be arrested for 'stoned in public' similar to a 'public intoxication' for alcohol?
    Sure.

    Would the legal age be 21 or 18?
    I would say 21, both for consistency's sake and because of adolescent brain development.

    Would all forms of pot be legal? Aren't some varieties more potent than others?
    Same as alcohol. We have some alcohol that is pretty weak, and some that is pretty potent.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    With my files, you should be.



    If they knew what I knew, things would be real different in schools...actually, the probably wouldn't. They'd still be in denial and wouldn't use the resources they have to help.

    I am working on a kick ass presentation that I will be giving in September that addresses this issue. Just wait...
    But I want to hear it now!

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    But I want to hear it now!

    You tease.

    You'll have to wait until you see me on the 6 O'clock news being dragged off so I can't expose what I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    This is assuming that corporations couldn't put out a superior product. They can afford the genetecists. They will probably figure out a way to make the smoke have different colors. People can grow their own tomatoes but people still buy them at the store. What percentage are actually going to grow their own?

    They could always add it to an existing tax as well. Put a federal "agriculture tax" on their electric bill.
    If Marijuana ever became legalized in my state, I would be the first one to grow it.

    Tomato's are a very hard crop to grow nicely, they take tender care, you have to plant them and harvest them at exactly the right time or they turn out like ****.

    Marijuana is a weed, it will grow on top of mountains, it will grow in deserts, it will grow anywhere with enough sunlight, and reasonable amount of water.

    You can't compare the two, and being that marijuana will most likely be over prices and all you have to do is cut the buds off the plant and hang up to dry, they are infinitely most accessible plant for any American to grow.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Nobody is saying that marijuana does not have drawbacks, it's just the pros heavily outweigh the cons.

    The mental disorder thing is a exaggeration, there are three main different types of Marijuana.
    Just wanted to address these two points.

    1) The cons, over the long term, outweigh the pros. Just like alcohol and cigarettes.

    2) The mental disorder thing is not an exaggeration by any means. If you have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder, marijuana will, most likely, worsen it, sometimes significantly. Having worked in the field for 20 years, I have seen this many, many, many times. And it doesn't matter much what you are smoking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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