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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Well, let's suppose for the sake of argument that marijuana were legalized. How would it be done?

    I don't think anyone believes we'd be selling or smoking it at the ballpark next to the beer stand... so fill me in on the details...

    Coffee shops?
    At home only?
    Designated pot smoking centers?

    Would it be okay to drive stoned? If you were just 'slightly buzzed' for instance?
    Would it be okay to be stoned at work? One hit at lunchtime while your buddy has his beer?

    Could one be arrested for 'stoned in public' similar to a 'public intoxication' for alcohol?

    Would the legal age be 21 or 18?

    Would all forms of pot be legal? Aren't some varieties more potent than others?

    Just curious how you see this working.


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, let's suppose for the sake of argument that marijuana were legalized. How would it be done?

    I don't think anyone believes we'd be selling or smoking it at the ballpark next to the beer stand... so fill me in on the details...

    Coffee shops?
    No, Barristas are bigger pansies than bartenders. They sue.

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    At home only?
    More than just home.

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    Designated pot smoking centers?
    Sure, like bars, but exempt from non-smoking laws.

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    Would it be okay to drive stoned? If you were just 'slightly buzzed' for instance?
    No, but how would know when someone actually was stoned empirically? It stays in your system even after the effects wear off.

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    Would it be okay to be stoned at work? One hit at lunchtime while your buddy has his beer?
    It depends on the job. Minimum wage, yes. All the rest, no.

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    Could one be arrested for 'stoned in public' similar to a 'public intoxication' for alcohol?
    No, it's not a public nuisance.

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    Would the legal age be 21 or 18?
    18. It's not like you can OD on the stuff.

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    Would all forms of pot be legal? Aren't some varieties more potent than others?

    Yes. Just let me grow my own.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, let's suppose for the sake of argument that marijuana were legalized. How would it be done?

    I don't think anyone believes we'd be selling or smoking it at the ballpark next to the beer stand... so fill me in on the details...
    Ummm why not? What exactly makes somebody who smokes weed more/less dangerous then somebody who drinks?

    Coffee shops?
    Do they sell beer at coffee shops? Not in America? Next.

    At home only?
    Ummm...everywhere alcohol is sold.

    Designated pot smoking centers?
    Are there any designated drinking centers?

    Would it be okay to drive stoned?
    It isn't now. Why would it be okay once it becomes legal?

    If you were just 'slightly buzzed' for instance?
    If you're slightly drunk do you not get DUI?

    Would it be okay to be stoned at work?
    Is it okay to be drunk at work?

    One hit at lunchtime while your buddy has his beer?
    Unless you weigh 80 pounds. You're not getting high off a single hit. Weed doesn't work that way.

    Could one be arrested for 'stoned in public' similar to a 'public intoxication' for alcohol?
    Public intoxication encompasses drugs in most states doesn't it?

    Would the legal age be 21 or 18?
    18

    Would all forms of pot be legal?
    Are all forms of consumable alcohol legal? To my knowledge the only one that is even remotely illegal is Absynth but that is thanks to Christian fundis of America Inc.

    Aren't some varieties more potent than others?
    40% Vodka. 5% Beer. I don't know of any weed cultures that can be 8x more potent then other weed cultures. Seriously I don't.

    Just curious how you see this working.

    Your questions seem answerable if you just use a little common sense. But for some reason I think you have an agenda.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    I'm sorry, exactly how is it good for your health? Unless your a cancer victim and refuse to eat or surffer from another illness that weed is already certified for, then it is not beneficial to your health. Smoking anything is bad for you, it's common sense. Weed is especially harmful because people exhale deeper, longer, and hold it in their lungs to let it sit for a while before exhaling
    Marijuana increases your appetite, is a mild pain reliever, a very good sleep aid, it is an amazing anti-bacterial substance helping preventing you from becoming sick, and overall helps your mood which more often than not has much more effect on our health than many realize.

    As for the effects from smoking, if that is such a hassle I suggest making cannabutter and using it to cook with. Technically a average cannabis smoker will inhale much less than average cigarette smoker, but if that is a big deal, use marijuana to cook with.
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    People can laugh all they'd like. But even in a country such as the Netherlands... pot-smokers are consigned to their 'coffee houses.' In essence, the freaks are still segregated. Smoking weed is not socially acceptable in the way that alcohol is.
    How about cigarette smokers, they are not socially acceptable, confined to fewer and fewer places every year where they can smoke and the cigarettes they do smoke are becoming so expensive people are spending thousands every year to support there habits.

    Should cigarettes be banned?

    No, what should happen is the majority should have less power to rule minorities lives in this country.

    Substance users have rights to, and just because you do not agree with it, does not mean you should have to right to say it is not ok.

    That is how the founders wanted it, and that is how it should be, drug legislation should be confined to the states to decide, and not the federal government to throw it's weight around.

    Just because something is not socially accepted does not mean you have the right to decide if it is right or wrong.

    If you are worried for your children, I suggest you support legalizing the substance, it is harder for a child to obtain a legal substance(alcohol) than a illegal substance(marijuana).
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Marijuana increases your appetite, is a mild pain reliever, a very good sleep aid, it is an amazing anti-bacterial substance helping preventing you from becoming sick, and overall helps your mood which more often than not has much more effect on our health than many realize.

    If you are worried for your children, I suggest you support legalizing the substance, it is harder for a child to obtain a legal substance(alcohol) than a illegal substance(marijuana).
    Cons:
    Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.
    Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine.4 Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.
    weed is like alcohol, it is a depressant. so if you had a mental disorder, it would just make you more depressed and you can hallucinate if you mix it with alcohol. a mental/emotion addiction to weed can develop. though, as so many fervent pot smokers always say, it is not physically addictive and you can't overdose... keep in mind I support legalization, but I don't support consistent use. If your 40, you smoke weed, and your sitting on a beanbag chair right now, YOU FAILED!

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your questions seem answerable if you just use a little common sense. But for some reason I think you have an agenda.
    No. These are serious questions. I don't have an agenda. But I do believe that many of those who advocate legalization haven't thought through the details very carefully.

    I've just perused the marijuana laws of most countries. Wikipedia: Legality of Cannabis

    It's not at all clear that legalizing marijuana would be easy to do. It's not clear that the answers require simple 'common sense.'

    Under your plan, for instance, would citizens be able to grow their own weed? Would there be a maximum amount they could possess? Which country's model do you find most appealing?

    Is there a 'common sense' answer to that?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, let's suppose for the sake of argument that marijuana were legalized. How would it be done?

    I don't think anyone believes we'd be selling or smoking it at the ballpark next to the beer stand... so fill me in on the details...
    Nope, in general I'd say the best way to view it is the availability of Alcohol with the usability of Cigarettes.

    Coffee shops?
    If a Coffee Shop wanted to do it I'd say it'd need to be like Alcohol. ID check for whatever age is required to have access to it.

    At home only?
    Definitely, purchased from likely an ABC store type scenario if its 21 and up (which I'd suggest). Same penalties as Alcohol if its found you're giving it to a minor in the home.

    Designated pot smoking centers?
    I imagine that places specifically designed for pot smoking would spout up, thus adding to the economy, much as there are those Designated Alcohol Drinking Centers known as "Bars". Places probably specializing in the sell of marijuana in various types and forms, and marketed towards people who don't mind being around the smoke as I imagine, much like cigarettes, it should be banned from standard bars.

    Would it be okay to drive stoned? If you were just 'slightly buzzed' for instance?
    DWI, driving under the influence. No more "okay" than driving "slightly buzzed" from alcohol

    Would it be okay to be stoned at work? One hit at lunchtime while your buddy has his beer?
    Depends on the work place I guess. Every work place I've ever worked at had a policy that you couldn't show up to work intoxicated and you couldn't drink, even on your break, while working.

    Could one be arrested for 'stoned in public' similar to a 'public intoxication' for alcohol?
    I'd imagine yes, in much the similar way. IE, rarely enforced unless its grossly over done.

    Would the legal age be 21 or 18?
    I'd suggest 21 due to the fact that it has significant mood altering affects like alcohol rather than like cigarettes.

    Would all forms of pot be legal? Aren't some varieties more potent than others?
    I'd imagine it'd get regulated if it was legalized, thus assuring that things laced with more dangerous ingredients would not be allowed. But simply more "Potent" forms would probably be fine, much like Bacardi 151 and standard Bacardi both have a home.

    Just curious how you see this working.
    Alcohol in its sale and oversight, cigarettes in terms of its places of use.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Under your plan, for instance, would citizens be able to grow their own weed? Would there be a maximum amount they could possess? Which country's model do you find most appealing
    I'd imagine the rules in regards to growing your own weed would be akin to the rules on brewing your own alcohol, ditto for the sales. Ditto for maximum amount of possession.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    No, what should happen is the majority should have less power to rule minorities lives in this country.

    Substance users have rights to, and just because you do not agree with it, does not mean you should have to right to say it is not ok.

    That is how the founders wanted it, and that is how it should be, drug legislation should be confined to the states to decide, and not the federal government to throw it's weight around.
    So you don't have a problem with marijuana being illegal... you just want it done on a state by state basis?


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    So you don't have a problem with marijuana being illegal... you just want it done on a state by state basis?

    Not necessarily, he could think that every state should make it legal, but it is the states rights to decide it not the federal government.

    I don't believe there should be abortion legal save for the cases of rape, incest, or the woman's life is clearly in danger. That said, I'm against any out and out federal ban of it because its the states right to decide that, not the federal government.

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