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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    People can laugh all they'd like. But even in a country such as the Netherlands... pot-smokers are consigned to their 'coffee houses.' In essence, the freaks are still segregated. Smoking weed is not socially acceptable in the way that alcohol is.



    Go to the middle east and let me know how they feel about which of the 2 is socially unacceptable.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Go to the middle east and let me know how they feel about which of the 2 is socially unacceptable.
    You don't seriously think that observation is going to aid your cause in any way, shape or form, do you?


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    You don't seriously think that observation is going to aid your cause in any way, shape or form, do you?

    Why does his cause need any aid? Anyone with a functioning brain and an open mind can see that Cannabis is no worse than alcohol and should be made legal.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Why does his cause need any aid? Anyone with a functioning brain and an open mind can see that Cannabis is no worse than alcohol and should be made legal.
    Because as I said in post #167, this isn't a battle of logic. It's a cultural battle. If you persist in fighting it with logic or reason you will never win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart
    The fact is that drug use in the U.S., as well as most other cultures, is very much a cultural phenomenon. And in the U.S., drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking weed is not.

    Advocates for cannabis can cite all the case studies and research reports demonstrating that marijuana isn't harmful. That doesn't change the fact that MOST parents in this country don't want their kids growing up to be Cheech & Chong!
    So no... pointing out that smoking dope is popular in the middle east does not help you win the hearts and minds of the American people. In fact just the opposite is true.


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    You don't seriously think that observation is going to aid your cause in any way, shape or form, do you?

    no more than your silly posting of a coffee shop in Amsterdam. my cause is lost on you anyways.

    If you are going to appeal to the situation in Amsterdam, then what is wrong with my countering by appealing to the situation in the middle east. Glad you can see the irrelevancy of your own post in the mirror, I was hoping it would not be wasted.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Because as I said in post #167, this isn't a battle of logic. It's a cultural battle. If you persist in fighting it with logic or reason you will never win.



    So no... pointing out that smoking dope is popular in the middle east does not help you win the hearts and minds of the American people. In fact just the opposite is true.

    We could all stand a lot by being open minded and learning from one another, whether it be as individuals or cross culturally. Just underscores how easily your opinion is swayed by the actions of a few. That guy in the picture, and millions and millions just like him are just living their lives just as we are, they did not fly an airplane into the world trade center.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    If marijuana become legal, I see it handled as a combination of how alcohol and cigarettes are handled. No one will be allowed to smoke indoors in a public establishment and the same types of socially unacceptable behavior (smoking on the job for example) will apply.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    no more than your silly posting of a coffee shop in Amsterdam. my cause is lost on you anyways.
    I'm not sure why you think that. I'm not an opponent to legalization. I'm simply pointing out what opponents of legalization believe. If you believe this is a battle of reason and logic, then you are mistaken.

    If you are going to appeal to the situation in Amsterdam, then what is wrong with my countering by appealing to the situation in the middle east. Glad you can see the irrelevancy of your own post in the mirror, I was hoping it would not be wasted.
    Both posts were perfectly consistent as far as I can see. The point of both posts, for good or for worse, is that neither would appeal to mainstream Americans. You can attribute that to bias, or cultural snobbery, or even racism on some level. But it is there nevertheless.

    One of the reasons marijuana was outlawed in the U.S. (in the western states first, btw) was because it was seen as a 'Mexican' thing.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If marijuana become legal, I see it handled as a combination of how alcohol and cigarettes are handled. No one will be allowed to smoke indoors in a public establishment and the same types of socially unacceptable behavior (smoking on the job for example) will apply.
    Can I eat brownies on the job?

    I'm late to this party, but I know when I was a kid it was a lot easier to get than alcohol. Now that I am older and wouldn't buy from kids, it's a lot harder to get.

    CC, I saw your figures about teen alcohol vs. marijuana. It shows that one is more popular. There are other factors now too. Kids get drug tested in order to stay in extracurricular activities. Alcohol leaves the system quicker.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I'm not sure why you think that. I'm not an opponent to legalization. I'm simply pointing out what opponents of legalization believe. If you believe this is a battle of reason and logic, then you are mistaken.



    Both posts were perfectly consistent as far as I can see. The point of both posts, for good or for worse, is that neither would appeal to mainstream Americans. You can attribute that to bias, or cultural snobbery, or even racism on some level. But it is there nevertheless.

    One of the reasons marijuana was outlawed in the U.S. (in the western states first, btw) was because it was seen as a 'Mexican' thing.

    Wasn't it popular with the black culture? They are called jazz cigarettes for a reason.
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