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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    And those 3 or 4 speakeasies would have no qualms selling it to someone that was under 21, whereas the 6 or 7 bars and 4 restaurants do.
    And yet with government enforcement, people would be far more concerned about bringing alcohol home from a speakeasy than from a liquor store. Kids get a lot of their alcohol from home. Less availability.

    No need to I have a phone and any one of numerous numbers I could call despite not using it for well over a year, most of them would still be up, supermarket is closed If I REALLY wanted to I could drive down to Robbles Park and get swarmed by 14 year old kids with handfuls of dime bags too. nevermind that it is 3 am.
    And pass 8 bars and 12 liquor stores on the way. Or go to your friend's house where the liquor cabinet is unlocked...or your own house. You don't have to call anyone or go anywhere.

    I will give you Alcohol use is higher among teenagers, as it is with our population as a whole, this will not change it is our preferred drug of choice. Many people simply do not like the feeling of being high, others do not like the idea of inhaling smoke.
    So, if this is the case, then your argument doesn't seem pertinent. Others have said, in this thread, that the feeling of alcohol is far worse, in many ways, than the feeling of marijuana. You are contradicting yourself.

    Sorry, the numbers I posted refute those that you did. And mine were from an American study, yours were from an European study of Americans. Mine would get the nod from a validity standpoint.

    I agree legality is irrelevant for kids, it is illegal either way, but you are using legality as your argument still, and there you go saying availability is the issue again
    You are missing the point. Legality is irrelevant for the motivation for kids, but it is relevant for the drug's availability for kids to obtain.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    Both cigerettes and alcohol are drugs. Yet different rules and regulations exist for each(Must be 21 to drink alcohol vs. 18 to smoke, cannot drink and drive vs. no law against smoking and driving, can drink inside but cannot smoke inside ect. ect) because they are different drugs.
    True and this affects the usage. Legality affects availability. I know far more teens that smoke regularly than those that drink regularly.

    I didn't really get what you meant by saying I wasn't staying in the boundaries... you need an alcohol license to produce and distribute alcohol, so aren't I staying in the parameters?
    If you are going to put more restrictions on licensing marijuana, then it's availability and usage will be altered. Your alcohol vs. cigarette example is a good one to illustrate this.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    For what it's worth I see that you are for legalizing it, you are simply trying to stimulate conversation around the topic and dig into the negatives of legalization...not just the positives.



    There are surely positives.

    1. liberty
    2. income for the state, as I was corrected on the tax issue
    3. glacoma and cancer patients will have some relief.


    etc, etc,


    What i take exception to is the daily, chronic user who makes his life revolve around it. I have not paitents for such people.....
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Where did I ever say that you said "every". Why don't you go back and read the posts....I know you are smarter than this.

    Your original argument was the pretty much all of the people that you know who smoke weed make weed about their life. That they become all absorbed in it.

    I think that is FAR from the truth.


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    ""To assume that every person who smoke weed are "Spicollis" as in "Fast times at Ridgemont High" shows that you have little understanding of the world around you."


    and not this is not what I said, I was very clear as to who I view in this light. Again, show me where I was not talking about daily chronic users who make thier livers revolve around weed, and talking about "everyone"


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What exactly would that change about legalizing marijuana?



    I'd make it as legal as alcohol, a states issue and local issue.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't follow. Are you suggesting that drug laws stop people from becoming drug-addicts?

    i think the drug laws create more desire, and more desire leads to addiction. weed is not physically addicting though.

    i never made this argument. you asked about.

    Sorta like when they went from .10 to point .08, you created more drunks on the road. Not addressed the guy who downed a 12 pack and went for a joy ride.


    So long as you can admit that said statement was indeed hyperbole I won't take any issue with your latter presumption e.g., that legalization will not solve California's economic woes. I certainly feel it would be financially beneficial but I concur that it is no panacea.

    agreed.






    I agree. Drug addiction is harmful but I fail to see how this is pertinent. Nobody is condoning or encouraging drug addiction as far as I know.

    agreed.





    I couldn't say, but it's not really my concern.


    nor mine, it was however a point that one personally should consider.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I've met plenty of alcoholics who were hopelessly lost causes. Beat their spouses, drive drunk, get into frequent fights, etc. I've never once, not in my entire life (with 14 years on the enforcement side) met somebody actually addicted to marijuana. .



    I was at legal seafood the other day, and met this dood who flipped his car from passing out across the street from his house, pending second dui.

    He then started telling me a story about his alchoholic friend as he downed about 8 glasses of wine in about half an hour.....


    He was ok though because he was calling his teenage daughter to pick drunk daddy up somewhere he was going to drive to.


    This was Wednesday around 1pm.



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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I was at legal seafood the other day, and met this dood who flipped his car from passing out across the street from his house, pending second dui.

    He then started telling me a story about his alchoholic friend as he downed about 8 glasses of wine in about half an hour.....


    He was ok though because he was calling his teenage daughter to pick drunk daddy up somewhere he was going to drive to.


    This was Wednesday around 1pm.



    It is amazing what some people are.
    I hate hearing stories like this. Firstly, it sounds like he was practically "proud" of his friend's idiotic driving exploits, and secondly, getting his kid to help out this alcoholic is both enabling and emotionally harmful to the kid.

    This guy sounds like a real loser.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    There is some great conversation going on here, but the more I read this the more I get the feeling we are stuck in a rut on the whole "alcohol prohibition" vs. "marijuana prohibition" thing. The bottom line on this is that we know prohibition didn't work then and isn't working now. However comparing the two and drawing accurate correlations seems to be rather tricky. We are talking different times, different enforcement techniques, different social situations, and a much different product. Technology, smuggling methods, ability to conceal on your person, social situations, political situations, enforcement techniques, punishment, etc...all of this is much different today.

    It really doesn't matter if more is available and if kids will have more access to it. Look at alcohol. Weed isn't ever going away. What can go away is the violence and criminality associated with it. What we can get is, as has been pointed out, much needed tax revenue, jobs, and some measure of financial relief to our overburdened criminal justice/penal system.

    I've yet to see a down side to the idea of legalizing marijuana.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's the dumbest idea since Obama thinking he could spend his way out of debt.
    Title of the thread is?
    your post is in the wrong thread.
    besides, he never said he would spend us out of debt. Spend us out of recession, maybe, but debt, who would say that?
    that is impossible, given the amount of debt the we hae accumulated thanks to Reagan, and Bush, and Bush.....
    Taxing weed might be a good idea, though. I suggest all taxes gathered from tobacco, alcohol, and weed be used to pay off the debt we owe the chinese...
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