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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

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    Will a basement speak easy ask for ID?
    Will there be as much alcohol around?
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Let's suppose alcohol were made illegal. Would you think that would make alcohol more or less difficult for kids to obtain?
    So your whole arguemnt is on whether or not something is easier to obtain?

    fine, let's pose another argument. Would you rather a kid obtain pot from a stranger willing to buy it for him or the kid killing a person to get it?

    Let's see your answer on this one.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

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    Will there be as much alcohol around?
    nahh, not at first until distribution networks and a solid underground gets established, even then no, it is too bulky and unwieldy in comparison to marijuana or other drugs. Sure there will be less, but it would be easier for someone underage to get it, the criminals who will be in it for a quick easy profit have no concern on who they would sell it to.

    I think the problem here is that some do not realize how prevalent and available marijuana is, there are NO SUPPLY SIDE ISSUES at all.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Taxes create revenue. Tax it and rebuild our decrepit economy.
    Our economy wasn't tanked through a lack of funding for needed spending, but of gorse excessive spending far, far beyond what was needed.

    Pot tax wouldn't fix that.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I think the problem here is that some do not realize how prevalent and available marijuana is, there are NO SUPPLY SIDE ISSUES at all.
    This is correct and in fact the legalization of marijuana would ultimately cause the demise of the corner way dealer doing it.

    After all do you see any numerous amount of dealers dealing in moonshine on the corners or buildings?

    The way to kill the drug crime is to decriminalize the drugs and make them safer.

    I've done pot a total of 4 times in my life. Each and every time I hated the smell, and hated the burn down my throat.

    I'd rather drink beer to be honest.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    nahh, not at first until distribution networks and a solid underground gets established, even then no, it is too bulky and unwieldy in comparison to marijuana or other drugs. Sure there will be less, but it would be easier for someone underage to get it, the criminals who will be in it for a quick easy profit have no concern on who they would sell it to.
    During prohibition, do know whether underage drinking was as much of a problem as it is now? I understand that we are discussing different eras, but I'd be curious as to know whether this is supposition on your part or whether there is any statistics.

    Also, I believe that during prohibition, the availability of alcohol was pretty level after an initial bottoming out. And this level was far under the level when it is legal. It would be less available to kids because it would be less available at all.

    I think the problem here is that some do not realize how prevalent and available marijuana is, there are NO SUPPLY SIDE ISSUES at all.
    Supply is irrelevant. What some do not understand is the human psychology of crime. If you make something legal, it becomes more socially acceptable. It will become more mainstream and be more available, hence people, including kids, will find it easier to obtain, less risk to obtain, and be more likely to use.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    huh??? I am really trying to make a concerted effort to make sense of this post.. really.
    Fair enough, let me know when you've graduated 2nd grade and we'll review

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

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    Fair enough, let me know when you've graduated 2nd grade and we'll review
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    During prohibition, do know whether underage drinking was as much of a problem as it is now? I understand that we are discussing different eras, but I'd be curious as to know whether this is supposition on your part or whether there is any statistics.
    No I don't think they were doing Zogby polls then I was referring to what would happen in present day, and I know prohibition is all that we have to go by. The whole premise (what if alcohol were illegal) is supposition, so it is kind of unrealistic to back up supposition with fact.

    Also, I believe that during prohibition, the availability of alcohol was pretty level after an initial bottoming out. And this level was far under the level when it is legal. It would be less available to kids because it would be less available at all.
    There is no issue with availability of marijuana.





    Supply is irrelevant. What some do not understand is the human psychology of crime. If you make something legal, it becomes more socially acceptable. It will become more mainstream and be more available, hence people, including kids, will find it easier to obtain, less risk to obtain, and be more likely to use.
    See above regarding supply/availability.

    Kids are doing it regardless of its legality, part of its charm for many is that it is an expression of a tendency to be rebellious when a teenager.
    Plain and simple.. if a kid wants it he can get it, the legality is not a deterrent, we have a 34 year old "War On Drugs" that is an abject failure, and has not stopped kids from getting it. I will grant you that for a few it is a deterrent, but for many it is not, in fact its illegality is part of its appeal, that was certainly the case for me and I can attest likewise for many of my peers at the time, you know rebellious teenage years and all.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Fair enough, let me know when you've graduated 2nd grade and we'll review

    no seriously do explain yourself, there was a major disconnect and I could not for the life of me pick up the logic you were attempting to convey.

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