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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

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    Lawsuit by DuPont, actually.

    Turns out you can make all kinds of quality products with weed at a fraction of the cost.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    1) If marijuana is legalized it will be more available to those that are under 21, as it will be more accessible in general. That doesn't mean it should remain illegal, but it is still a fact.
    Agree.
    2) One major reason that prohibition failed was because alcohol had been legal previously. Taking something away is far different than never having something. Because of this, the comparisons between the current illegality of marijuana and the prohibition of alcohol in the early 1900's are much fewer than one would think.
    Agree to an extent. I don't think this isn't about "taking something away" vs. people "not having it" now. The people have it. In abundance. I promise you for all that we confiscate a thousand times that much makes it through. Law enforcement can't stop the populace from using weed, it's not possible. The question is, do we continue to throw money at enforcement or do we flip the situation and work it to our benefit?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The idiocy, that making weed available could be the sole savior of the California economy is stupid. Nothing but the rantings of a weed first buffoon.
    Never smoked once in my life so I can hardly be called a "weed bafoon", but I do see this being a possible boom to their economy. IF it comes to pass it:

    1. Creates new jobs for people manufacturing the weed
    2. Creates new jobs with infrastructure supporting this (for example head shops or bars catering specifically to smoking)
    3. Reduces tax payer burden by reducing the number of drug incarcerations
    4. Free's up law enforcement to focus on other forms of illegal activities
    5. Taxes generated from its sales.

    All of this will help with the economy most likely.

    Oh and if weed is truly a medicine, it is immoral for California to tax it. Unless the whole thing is a sham.
    Weed is a "drug". Currently, it is one needed to be used with a prescription due to the governments restrictions on it. It does have medicinal purposes that have been studied and proven.

    However, much like other drugs that started out as a prescription and turned into an over the counter thing, if you no longer require a prescription for marijuana then it is not wrong to tax it and no more immoral to tax it then it is to tax any other drug that started as prescription and moved to over the counter.

    Simply because it has medicinal traits to it that proved to be useful enough to use it for those purposes despite the general ban of its use does not mean that it is immoral to tax it once it is legalized fully to be used not just for medicinal purposes but for recreational purposes. Once legalized it is no longer an item centralized in the medical field but moves into the field of standard consumption.

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    Yeah by creating a state of unmotivated buffoons
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    There have been no false assumptions here. Please define "help rescue" if that is what you are alluding to.


    pssst.. I think you are confusing me with TheNextEra, take a look our names are spelled differently
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Its legality or illegality has absolutely no impact on whether or not they are getting high. The hippies and the millions and millions of NON HIPPIES will continue to get high legal or not.
    Well then, since according to you there would be no increase in consumption of this product, there's no economical reason to legalize it.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I won't address each and every one of your bullet points. I'll just tackle the first one. What leads you to the conclusion that legalizing any drug would reduce its availability to kids? In fact, this defies common sense. Alcohol and tobacco are readily available to kids.

    No logic there whatsoever. Sorry.

    Do you think dealers ask for ID before selling kids an ounce? If it was legal, it would be much harder to obtain.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well then, since according to you there would be no increase in consumption of this product, there's no economical reason to legalize it.
    Taxes create revenue. Tax it and rebuild our decrepit economy.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well then, since according to you there would be no increase in consumption of this product, there's no economical reason to legalize it.

    huh??? I am really trying to make a concerted effort to make sense of this post.. really. I made no assertions on consumption either increasing or decreasing.

    There has to be an increase in consumption for it to be economical?? . Is $1.3 Billion > $0?

    Is it not economical to capitalize on the states biggest cash crop? Or I suppose you are right, it makes ore sense to let the gangs take a cut if al that money to buy some more AK-47's, and then send the rest of that money off to Mexico, and to pay $23k per year per person for incarceration, and decimate people's chances of being productive citizens by cursing them with the stigmata of having lower job expectations due to some minor possession charge.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Do you think dealers ask for ID before selling kids an ounce? If it was legal, it would be much harder to obtain.
    I suppose the obvious is often the most difficult to see.

    Let's try some reverse logic here and see what we come up with. Let's suppose, for instance, that prohibition were reinstated. Let's suppose alcohol were made illegal. Would you think that would make alcohol more or less difficult for kids to obtain?


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I suppose the obvious is often the most difficult to see.

    Let's try some reverse logic here and see what we come up with. Let's suppose, for instance, that prohibition were reinstated. Let's suppose alcohol were made illegal. Would you think that would make alcohol more or less difficult for kids to obtain?

    Will a basement speak easy ask for ID?

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