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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    The difference is the kids know it is unrealistic to even attempt to conceal alcohol at school, what is the likelihood of being able to conceal a bottle of vodka in your underwear?? Never mind how hard it is to conceal the effects and smell of alcohol on your breath. Even the most stupid of kids realize that having alcohol or being buzzed by it at school was just begging to get caught.

    Also alcohol is a social drug, even kids are aware being drunk at school is just not fun at all, it is for letting loose and tossing your inhibitions to the wind, something appropriate for a party, but not at all for school.
    Plus the effects of marijuana vs. alcohol are quite noticeable. I can easily spot a drunk, their behavior is usually much more pronounced. Stoners...you can spot 'em, but their actions aren't generally as outrageous as drunks.

    And you are quite right about the ability to conceal a joint vs. a bottle of bourbon.
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    See my post above.

    Some often say there's little or no difference between pot-smoking and alcohol-drinking. I think your example here demonstrates how these activities are VERY different.

    That i agree with wholeheartedly they are VERY different.

    One of those listed has at times made me wake up in the morning wondering what the **** happened last night?? how the **** did i get home last night?? who the **** is this in my bed this morning?? Where is my car? **** I was supposed to be at work 2 hours ago. -run to the shower- wtf?? why is my face all marked up, did I get into a fight last night??

    The other hasn't ever caused any of the above.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you drink at work? If you don't then your opinion, position and whatever argument you tried to make is automatically destroyed.
    Strippers do. "your opinion, position and whatever argument you tried to make is automatically destroyed."
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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    I was going to post a sound case for legalization and control of all drugs, something carried over form a post last night where I was literally falling asleep at the keyboard. I'm going to let an article written by someone else who has a bit more authority and inside knowledge of the issue make the case instead.

    A few bullet points of my own first.

    legalizing would

    * drastically reduce the availability to our children, ideally until they are old enough to make mature decisions (I was addicted to cocaine at 17, fortunately it only lasted a few months until I wised up to the situation)

    * virtually eliminate gangs and gang related violence, our murder rates would plummet, drive by shootings would become a rarity.

    * generate $billions in revenue instead of costing $billions

    * allow control of purity and quality drastically reducing overdose potential.

    * dramatically reduce the spread of hepatitis, aids and other diseases

    * drastically reduce prison crowding, and clogging of our judicial system

    * Free law enforcement to focus the bulk of their attention to crimes where there is a victim ie. violent crimes, theft, ect.

    * allow treatment and counseling for those with a problem instead of socially and financially damning them

    * Stop being a huge revenue source for those we are opposed to, Afghanistan? Farc rebels in Columbia?

    I could probably go on, that is just a few off the top of my head.

    and now for those who are interested in reading more I will let a retired narcotics officer make the case in detail.

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    A few bullet points of my own first.

    legalizing would

    * drastically reduce the availability to our children, ideally until they are old enough to make mature decisions (I was addicted to cocaine at 17, fortunately it only lasted a few months until I wised up to the situation)
    I won't address each and every one of your bullet points. I'll just tackle the first one. What leads you to the conclusion that legalizing any drug would reduce its availability to kids? In fact, this defies common sense. Alcohol and tobacco are readily available to kids.

    No logic there whatsoever. Sorry.


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Also alcohol is a social drug, even kids are aware being drunk at school is just not fun at all, it is for letting loose and tossing your inhibitions to the wind, something appropriate for a party, but not at all for school.
    Well, as I mentioned, we had a lot of kids who seemed to enjoy being high in school. As I recall, the 'stoners' in my school weren't at the top of the class. Most of them weren't even in the middle of the class. They generally showed up ill-prepared, and were lucky to get passing grades, if they weren't in some sort of trouble or flunking out altogether.

    (Now's when the straight "A" stoners all stand up to swear smoking pot had no effect on grades in school.)


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, as I mentioned, we had a lot of kids who seemed to enjoy being high in school. As I recall, the 'stoners' in my school weren't at the top of the class. Most of them weren't even in the middle of the class. They generally showed up ill-prepared, and were lucky to get passing grades, if they weren't in some sort of trouble or flunking out altogether.

    (Now's when the straight "A" stoners all stand up to swear smoking pot had no effect on grades in school.)

    Who is talking about legalizing marijuana for those under the legal age of adulthood?

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Who is talking about legalizing marijuana for those under the legal age of adulthood?
    If you legalize marijuana the ONLY possible outcome is that it will be more readily available to those under the legal age.


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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    If you legalize marijuana the ONLY possible outcome is that it will be more readily available to those under the legal age.

    So let me get this straight, you are against legalizing marijuana because if it is legalized for those over 21, those underage people that ALREADY get it might still get it.

    What an idiotic reason. People like you are the ones that thought prohibition actually worked

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    Re: Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    If you legalize marijuana the ONLY possible outcome is that it will be more readily available to those under the legal age.


    No. Poll after poll, year after year teens report that marijuana is EASIER to attain than beer.

    Forty-two percent of 12- to 17-year olds can buy marijuana in a day or less; 23 percent in an hour or less.
    Marijuana continues to be easier to buy than beer: 23 percent of teens find it easiest to buy compared to 15 percent who find beer easiest to buy.

    edit for source: CASAColumbia.org: News Room: Press Releases: National Survey of American Attitudes on Substance Abuse XIII: Teens and Parents

    So something that is in millions of kids homes sitting in their fridge is harder to attain than something that is illegal which we have spent untold billions of dollars on in the last 34 years of this "Drug War" in a futile attempt to suppress availability??

    Sure kids can always find someone older to get it for them, but something that is LEGALLY controlled and distributed is HARDER for a kid to get. I cannot even grasp how you think that it being legal would make it any easier for a kid to get.
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