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    Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Investigative journalist Sy Hersh dropped a bombshell revelation on Monday about international killings ordered under Bush.

    “Yuh. After 9/11, I haven’t written about this yet, but the Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. Without any legal authority for it. They haven’t been called on it yet. That does happen.

    "Right now, today, there was a story in the New York Times that if you read it carefully mentioned something known as the Joint Special Operations Command -- JSOC it’s called. It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently. They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr. [Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him. ...

    "Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.

    "Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.

    "It’s complicated because the guys doing it are not murderers, and yet they are committing what we would normally call murder. It’s a very complicated issue. Because they are young men that went into the Special Forces. The Delta Forces you’ve heard about. Navy Seal teams. Highly specialized.

    "In many cases, they were the best and the brightest. Really, no exaggerations. Really fine guys that went in to do the kind of necessary jobs that they think you need to do to protect America. And then they find themselves torturing people.

    "I’ve had people say to me -- five years ago, I had one say: ‘What do you call it when you interrogate somebody and you leave them bleeding and they don’t get any medical committee and two days later he dies. Is that murder? What happens if I get before a committee.?’

    "But they’re not gonna get before a committee.”
    Seymour Hersh: "Executive Assassination Ring" Answered to Cheney, Had No Congressional Oversight | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet

    This is a very interesting read, even for those of you who don't think you need to read links before you comment on them.

    As I have said, as time goes by more and more will come out about how corrupt and treasonist the Bush administration was.

    If this is true, hopefully we'll see Dickie indicted on charges also. This is quite against the law.

    Have we ever had such a corrupt bunch of goons running our country?
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    You had two different thread titles to pick from, and still decided to make up your own? Follow the BN rules from now on.

    MinnPost - Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    And here's the CIA's response:

    MinnPost - The CIA responds to Seymour Hersh (via MinnPost)

    CIA spokester Little emailed me:

    "I saw your story on Seymour Hersh’s recent allegations regarding CIA activities since 9/11. If you wish, you can attribute the quoted portion that follows to me, in name, as a CIA spokesman:

    'This is utter nonsense.'"


    I spoke to Little to clarify whether he was aware of the basis for Hersh's statement (which I am not, only that it's based on his reporting) or whether he was categorically stating that nothing the CIA has done post-9/11 could be reasonably characterized as domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. He said it was a categorical denial. He doesn't know what Hersh claims, but any claim that the CIA has engaged in domestic spying is "complete and utter nonsense," saith Little on behalf of the CIA.
    And remember folks, this is the same Sy Hersh who broke the story that the US was invading Iran and would use nuclear weapons. He's such a good reporter that he managed to break the story twice, once in 2006 and again in 2008.

    Damn he's good.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    No offense intended here, but isn't this more of a CT thread than a BN thread?
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You had two different thread titles to pick from, and still decided to make up your own? Follow the BN rules from now on.
    I looked for other threads but, didn't see any. Is your sarcasm always necessary in your role as a moderator? I mean, really? You could have merged mine in with one of the others or pm'd me and I would have deleted mine.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I looked for other threads but, didn't see any. Is your sarcasm always necessary in your role as a moderator? I mean, really? You could have merged mine in with one of the others or pm'd me and I would have deleted mine.
    I meant that you had two different options to choose from in picking what to title your thread, either the title at alternet or the title at minnpost. Despite that, you went your own way and just made one up, contrary to the BN guidelines.

    Don't worry, you're the first one to post on this.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I meant that you had two different options to choose from in picking what to title your thread, either the title at alternet or the title at minnpost. Despite that, you went your own way and just made one up, contrary to the BN guidelines.
    Actually, I did look over the rules re: Starting A Thread and found nothing re: the Thread Title. This is all I found:
    17. Starting a Thread: When starting a thread it is best to express your own thoughts in your own words. Threads w/o original content may be summarily closed.

    It's fitting, fine, well, and good that the initial, thread-starting post (called the thread's Original Post- OP for short) quotes another person or document. References, particularly in matters of fact, are encouraged. But they are no substitute for your own thoughts in your own words.

    Using your own words in your OP encourages participation. By starting the conversation with a contribution of your own time and effort, you show potential participants you are serious in your intention to engage in dialogue. It says that if they reply to your posts, you are likely to respond to theirs.
    Please post what I'm missing.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    4. The title of every *BN* thread must be identical to the title of the cited news story headline. This is important as it helps to avoid multiple topics about an issue while starting discussions out on a more neutral basis.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...uidelines.html

    From the sticky at the top of the Breaking News forum.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...uidelines.html

    From the sticky at the top of the Breaking News forum.
    Oops... Guilty. I sure did miss that one. Note taken.

    Sorry 'bout that.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Oops... Guilty. I sure did miss that one. Note taken.

    Sorry 'bout that.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    No offense intended here, but isn't this more of a CT thread than a BN thread?
    Actually, this is a hastily-tossed-together-eye-popping-headline-train-wreck of a thread intended to distract attention from another thread in which the OP was utterly pnwed.


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