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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    This is conspiracy bunk that was dismissed.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    “Yuh. After 9/11, I haven’t written about this yet, but the Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. Without any legal authority for it. They haven’t been called on it yet. That does happen.
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    Investigative journalist Sy Hersh dropped a bombshell revelation on Monday about international killings ordered under Bush.


    Seymour Hersh: "Executive Assassination Ring" Answered to Cheney, Had No Congressional Oversight | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet

    This is a very interesting read, even for those of you who don't think you need to read links before you comment on them.

    As I have said, as time goes by more and more will come out about how corrupt and treasonist the Bush administration was.

    If this is true, hopefully we'll see Dickie indicted on charges also. This is quite against the law.

    Have we ever had such a corrupt bunch of goons running our country?
    Do you really believe that the fine men and women of the armed forces are going around killing Americans... in America!?!?! I've yet to meet a member of the armed forces who holds America and the Constitution in anything but the highest regard. Do you really think they'd do that? Even the suggestion is insulting.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is conspiracy bunk that was dismissed.
    You want to provide a link that proves that Hersh's reporting is wrong? I don't think you've got that. And this is not a conspiracy theory, it is breaking news. Seymour Hersh has rarely been wrong, and he wouldn't go out on a limb with something this weird if he didn't have proof.

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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    This guy comes up with a new routine every few months...and every time the Bush hating lefty types idolize him for it.

    A fool and his money are soon parted and Seymour Hersh is/has been cashing in on that.

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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You want to provide a link that proves that Hersh's reporting is wrong? I don't think you've got that. And this is not a conspiracy theory, it is breaking news. Seymour Hersh has rarely been wrong, and he wouldn't go out on a limb with something this weird if he didn't have proof.


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    And remember folks, this is the same Sy Hersh who broke the story that the US was invading Iran and would use nuclear weapons. He's such a good reporter that he managed to break the story twice, once in 2006 and again in 2008.

    Damn he's good.
    How about he provide any ACTUAL you know...EVIDENCE...before you demand someone dismissing this as the conspiracy bull**** that it is produce evidence to counter something that isn't backed up by anything truly credible itself.

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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

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    How about he provide any ACTUAL you know...EVIDENCE...before you demand someone dismissing this as the conspiracy bull**** that it is produce evidence to counter something that isn't backed up by anything truly credible itself.
    Well, there's no evidence of these allegations actually being true. All I see is hearsay from a guy who skirts the line of credibility, to say the least. As he is the one making the allegations, it's incumbent upon him to provide some sort of evidence. Conspiracy theory tripe...

    I just saw some guy down the street get waxed by JSOC. Prove me wrong.

    Edit: I think I missed some subtle sarcasm or something.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Well, there's no evidence of these allegations actually being true. All I see is hearsay from a guy who skirts the line of credibility, to say the least. As he is the one making the allegations, it's incumbent upon him to provide some sort of evidence. Conspiracy theory tripe...
    Hersh has not released his investigation yet, only announced that there was one. There will be facts coming, probably more than you can handle.

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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Hersh has not released his investigation yet, only announced that there was one. There will be facts coming, probably more than you can handle.
    Yes, proof Bush really had Anna Nicole Smith killed because she was carrying bin Laden's anti-christ love child.
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    Re: Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You want to provide a link that proves that Hersh's reporting is wrong? I don't think you've got that. And this is not a conspiracy theory, it is breaking news. Seymour Hersh has rarely been wrong, and he wouldn't go out on a limb with something this weird if he didn't have proof.
    Dude, you have access to google just like I do.

    In the April 17, 2006 issue of The New Yorker,[15] Hersh reported on the Bush Administration's purported plans for an air strike within Iran. Of particular note in his article is that an American nuclear first strike (possibly using the B61-11 bunker-buster nuclear weapon) is under consideration to eliminate underground Iranian uranium enrichment facilities. In response, President Bush cited Hersh's reportage as "wild speculation."
    While speaking at a journalism conference recently, Hersh claimed that after the Strait of Hormuz incident, members of the Bush administration met in vice president Dick Cheney's office to consider methods of initiating a war with Iran. One idea considered was staging a false flag operation involving the use of Navy SEALs dressed as Iranian PT boaters who would engage in a firefight with US ships. This idea was shot down. This claim has not been verified
    In August 2006, in an article in The New Yorker, Hersh claimed that the White House gave the green light for Israel to plan and execute an attack on the mounting threat of Hezbollah in Lebanon. Supposedly, communication between the Israeli government and the US administration about this came as early as two months in advance of the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of eight others by Hezbollah prior to the Israel/Lebanon conflict in July 2006.[20] The US administration has denied these claims.
    Hersh's 1997 book about John F. Kennedy, The Dark Side of Camelot, made a number of controversial assertions about the former president, including that he had had a "first marriage" to a woman named Durie Malcolm that was never terminated, and that he had a close working relationship with mob boss Sam Giancana. In a Los Angeles Times review, Edward Jay Epstein cast doubt on these and other assertions, writing, "this book turns out to be, alas, more about the deficiencies of investigative journalism than about the deficiencies of John F. Kennedy."[22] Responding to the book, historian and former Kennedy aide Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. called Hersh "the most gullible investigative reporter I've ever encountered."[23]

    A month before the book's publication, newspapers, including USA Today, reported Hersh's announcement that he had removed from the galleys, at the last minute, a segment about legal documents allegedly containing JFK's signature.[24] A paralegal named Lawrence Cusack had shared them with Hersh and encouraged the author to discuss them in the book.[25] Shortly before Hersh's publicized announcement, federal investigators began probing Cusack's sale of the documents at auction.[25] After The Dark Side of Camelot became a bestseller, Cusack was convicted by a federal jury in Manhattan of forging the documents and sentenced to a long prison term.[26] The documents signed by "John F. Kennedy" included a provision, in 1960, for a trust fund to be set up for the institutionalized mother of Marilyn Monroe.[25] In 1997 the Kennedy family denied Cusack's claim that his late father had been an attorney who had represented JFK in 1960.
    Hersh, like most investigative journalists, makes frequent reference to anonymous sources in his reporting; some have criticized this usage, implying that some of these sources are unreliable or even made up. In a review of Hersh's book, Chain of Command, conservative commentator Amir Taheri wrote, "As soon as he has made an assertion he cites a "source" to back it. In every case this is either an un-named former official or an unidentified secret document passed to Hersh in unknown circumstances... By my count Hersh has anonymous 'sources' inside 30 foreign governments and virtually every department of the US government."
    And, perhaps most relevant, given the fact that he said this in a speech...

    Those who criticize Hersh's credibility especially point to allegations Hersh has made in public speeches and interviews, rather than in print. In an interview with New York magazine, Hersh made a distinction between the standards of strict factual accuracy for his print reporting and the leeway he allows himself in speeches, in which he may talk informally about stories still being worked on or blur information to protect his sources. "Sometimes I change events, dates, and places in a certain way to protect people... I can’t fudge what I write. But I can certainly fudge what I say."[30]

    Some of Hersh's speeches concerning the Iraq War have described violent incidents involving U.S. troops in Iraq. In July 2004, during the height of the Abu Ghraib scandal, he alleged that American troops sexually assaulted young boys:
    “ Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children, in cases that have been recorded, the boys were sodomized, with the cameras rolling, and the worst above all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking. That your government has. They’re in total terror it’s going to come out.[30] ”
    In a subsequent interview with New York magazine, Hersh regretted that "I actually didn’t quite say what I wanted to say correctly...it wasn’t that inaccurate, but it was misstated. The next thing I know, it was all over the blogs. And I just realized then, the power of—and so you have to try and be more careful."
    In his book, Chain of Command, he wrote that one of the witness statements he had read described the rape of a boy by a foreign contract interpreter at Abu Ghraib, during which a woman took pictures.[30]

    In an interview with KQED host Michael Krasny on October 8, 2004 [32], Hersh reported speaking with a first lieutenant in charge of a unit stationed halfway between Baghdad and the Syrian border:

    “ His group was bivouacking outside of town in an agricultural area, and had hired 30 or so Iraqis to guard a local granary. A few weeks passed. They got to know the men they hired, and to like them. Then orders came down from Baghdad that the village would be "cleared." Another platoon from the soldier's company came and executed the Iraqi granary guards. All of them.

    He said they just shot them one by one. And his people, and he, and the villagers of course, went nuts," Hersh said quietly. "He was hysterical, totally hysterical. He went to the company captain, who said, 'No, you don't understand, that's a kill. We got 36 insurgents. Don't you read those stories when the Americans say we had a combat maneuver and 15 insurgents were killed?'
    In a speech at McGill University in October 2006, after describing a video he had seen in which U.S. troops, following an attack on their convoy, had fired upon and killed a group of nearby soccer players, Hersh offered the assessment that "there has never been an [American] army as violent and murderous as our army has been in Iraq.” [33] However, in the same speech Hersh later said that there were other armies that had been worse than the Americans and that he did not believe in moral equivalence, when comparing the atrocities of one army to another.
    He's an over the hill dickhead who's desperately trying to remain relevant by coming up with more and more outrageous claims, few to none of which are verifiable.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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