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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    on greed: You do know what Adam Smith's invisible hand is, right?

    So the money that is taken away from the responsible, by the irresponsible government is a greedy step, yet we have to be responsible enough to help others in need? Seems like you've got some problems in your post.
    If all the steps contain greed, then the responsible are also greedy.
    I work hard, make responsible investments, and take care of my family. How does that make me greedy? I think my situation describes the vast majority of the Middle Class on both sides of the Pacific.
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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I work hard, make responsible investments, and take care of my family. How does that make me greedy? I think my situation describes the vast majority of the Middle Class on both sides of the Pacific.
    I was just making an observation on the guy's post.

    However, if you are a human then I do think that you have greedy tendencies, but probably not on same scale as the rich.
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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I work hard, make responsible investments, and take care of my family. How does that make me greedy? I think my situation describes the vast majority of the Middle Class on both sides of the Pacific.
    The only greedy people are the socialists who see what they haven't earned and use the violent might of government to compel those that have what they haven't earned to hand it over.

    People who own businesses and run them for profit, people who have jobs, they're the victims of the greedy socialists that have done so much damage to our economy.

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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    PEOPLE ARE SHOWING THEMSELVES COMPLETELY UNWILLING TO VOLUNTARILY HELP OTHERS.
    So? You care about them? Use your own money.

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    You want to know what the root of the financial crisis is?
    Socialism.

    Breaking the Constitution.

    That's the root cause.

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    If we want to solve the problems facing this country, we HAVE to erase the culturally embedded greed.
    Nah. All we have to do is disband the truly stupid and immoral notion that the federal government, using taxpayer dollars, will bail out people and companies that can't pay their debts.

    The market will do the rest....using "GREED" as the leveling tool.

    What do you people have against a basic human driving force that has done so much good in human history?

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    This dog-eat-dog, not-my-problem, doesn't-affect-me attitude is killing us! It's nothing we can change from the top, as Obama seeks to do. This has always failed and will always fail. As always, the change must come from the bottom and it starts with you and I.
    Okay, you start using your own money to finance your projects and stop taking mine. I'm easy.

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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    There's a difference between healthy desire and greed.

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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So? You care about them? Use your own money.
    I can't believe I'm going to have to say this again. One more time, IM NOT SAYING ITS OK TO TAKE PEOPLES MONEY.


    Socialism.

    Breaking the Constitution.

    That's the root cause.
    Back that up with facts, please.

    Nah. All we have to do is disband the truly stupid and immoral notion that the federal government, using taxpayer dollars, will bail out people and companies that can't pay their debts.
    The market will do the rest....using "GREED" as the leveling tool.
    Yeah, yeah. Greed is a virtue. I know. Just keep saying it and it'll make it true.

    What do you people have against a basic human driving force that has done so much good in human history?

    Okay, you start using your own money to finance your projects and stop taking mine. I'm easy.
    Yeah. I'm taking your money. Get real. I'm a libertarian.

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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    God I love seeing the Ultra-Anti-Obama crowd feed on itself.

    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    I didn't say I thought it was OK to take money from people. At least that's not what I meant. I'm saying since Obama is so intent on taking money from people anyway, I'd rather it be going to pay off mortgages. I think there's a better way and that's to encourage people to give voluntarily. Lassez-faire economics without voluntary giving would create a pretty ****ty world. Wouldn't you agree? This is why libertarians traditionally emphasize charity in replacement of social programs. They preach it, they just don't practice it.

    And yes, one can be responsible for himself but yet fail to be responsible to his community. It IS our responsibility to help our community but the help must be voluntary otherwise it's meaningless.
    Actually American's are traditionally a very giving people, they just prefer whom to give or not to give too, and that's the problem that liberals have. People might choose to help the "wrong" group or choose to "not help others". Thus they see it as their moral right to take money (taxes) and give it to those they feel need it because the average person obviously would choose wrong.
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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I just don't understand what good would come from Obama saying "we're soooooooooooo ****ed.
    Then WHY did he say exactly that?

    On the bright side you can rob an Obama supporter and 3 weeks later they will forget you did.

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    Re: Obama: Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Actually American's are traditionally a very giving people, they just prefer whom to give or not to give too, and that's the problem that liberals have. People might choose to help the "wrong" group or choose to "not help others". Thus they see it as their moral right to take money (taxes) and give it to those they feel need it because the average person obviously would choose wrong.
    Right. I think people naturally seek to give to others. It's quite satisfying. Even the most fabulously wealthy usually discover this at some point before they die. I know a woman who dedicated her whole life to helping the homeless, even to her own personal detriment (she lived in a one room apartment herself). I've got to say, I've never met a happier person in my life.

    The left seems to think that anybody who doesn't support the welfare state is some sort of social darwinist, which isn't true at all. We're just opposed to forcing one person to cede his money to another. There's a key difference in my mind between giving and taking by force. Giving builds a sense of community. Taking builds a sense of entitlement and animosity and, at least in my mind, leads to the "screw you" way of thinking.
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