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Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

Why this topic continues to fascinate people is beyond me, .

I have the same opinion of that Riahanna story they have been shoving up our noses daily. It simply does not make it on my give a crap radar.
 
yes they absolutely are

No, they absolutely aren't. They CAN be but they are not by some great cosmic rule automatically destined to fail, be bad, or not work out. Two 19 year olds getting married and having a kid that truly do love each other and both truly want a family are likely to be far better off than two 28 year olds that end up getting married cause ones afraid they won't find someone else and one just wants to have a kid no matter what. Age is not an "absolute" determination of whether a marriage or having a child is a bad thing or not.
 
No, they absolutely aren't. They CAN be but they are not by some great cosmic rule automatically destined to fail, be bad, or not work out. Two 19 year olds getting married and having a kid that truly do love each other and both truly want a family are likely to be far better off than two 28 year olds that end up getting married cause ones afraid they won't find someone else and one just wants to have a kid no matter what. Age is not an "absolute" determination of whether a marriage or having a child is a bad thing or not.

You know what, being immersed in water isn't an absolute determination of whether or not you'll drown, I mean hey, you could be taking a shower, so lets all walk into the ocean.

It is a fact that if you get married young you have a lower chance of it working out. It is a FACT that if you have children when you're young you'll have a dramatically higher chance of being in poverty.

If your 17, you should NOT get married or have a child. It doesn't matter that you REALLY love him or that Jesus lets you know that it's true- it's a stupid idea.

You can't quantify whether or not people are in love or not but you CAN quantify the income difference between someone who finished school and someone who dropped out to take care of a child and you can quantify how difficult it is to do both.

The correct age to have a child is the early 30s after you've completed your education. It's the best for you and and it's the best for your child.

You know who has children early in life? WHITE TRASH, like Palin's family, because they couldn't control their urges well enough to put it off until they were ready.
 
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Well in the case of octo-mom there is the welfare as others have stated but more impotantly -in my opinion- there is the matter of doctors behaving in an unethical manner without accountability.

That's an issue with the medical board, not us. Still not our business. The welfare thing, well we have welfare and sometimes this happens. Side effect of having that institution. We have no business in dictating how many children someone has. Her life isn't our concern. When it comes down to it, there may be some question of ethics with the doctor, but that's the medical boards **** to deal with. There may be concern with finances, but that's the mother's **** to deal with. There may be some concern with use of public funds; but we've set up this state of welfare and so long as she plays by the rules of it then that's that. I think we lose way more money to politicians and their corruption than we'll lose to this woman and her using welfare. None of it's really our business in the end. Like why the hell are we so crazy about all this that octomom actually needs a body guard?

I think part of the problem of this country is that we've forgotten how to keep our noses out of other people's business. Now it's a business in and of itself. Paparazzi and all sorts of other things letting us know who is doing what so we can condemn and feel a little better about ourselves. I find the whole of it rather sickening.
 
You know what, being immersed in water isn't an absolute determination of whether or not you'll drown, I mean hey, you could be taking a shower, so lets all walk into the ocean.

It is a fact that if you get married young you have a lower chance of it working out. It is a FACT that if you have children when you're young you'll have a dramatically higher chance of being in poverty.

If your 17, you should NOT get married or have a child. It doesn't matter that you REALLY love him or that Jesus lets you know that it's true- it's a stupid idea.

You can't quantify whether or not people are in love or not but you CAN quantify the income difference between someone who finished school and someone who dropped out to take care of a child and you can quantify how difficult it is to do both.

The correct age to have a child is the early 30s after you've completed your education. It's the best for you and and it's the best for your child.

You know who has children early in life? WHITE TRASH, like Palin's family, because they couldn't control their urges well enough to put it off until they were ready.

I'm as much of a proponent of h8ing on white trash as you, but there are plenty of situations where getting married "young" isn't that bad. My cousin and his girlfriend started dating when they were 12 or 13 and got married at 21. Neither one was planning on going to college, but they both have decent jobs. Now they own their own house and are planning on having kids in the near future. They're in a much better position financially and socially than most of the 27 year olds I know who are finishing their masters in whatever the ****, are on match.com looking for a soulmate, are living in the "nice" part of Bushwick and are trying to pay off their 150k in loans with their 50k salary at their job in "advertising."

The fact that younger people are statistically more likely to get divorced/end up in poverty doesn't mean that it's always a bad idea.
 
Well, thank you for that enlightening journey of supposed facts filled with non-stop hyperbole, assumptions, and insults. Truly swayed me to your side.

So lets see, according to NCFY.

If you have kids under 30 you're white trash, didn't finish school, are 100% unable to control your urges, and hate your kids.
 
The correct age to have a child is the early 30s after you've completed your education. It's the best for you and and it's the best for your child.

You know who has children early in life? WHITE TRASH, like Palin's family, because they couldn't control their urges well enough to put it off until they were ready.

By the time a woman is in her 30's she is past her biological prime for getting pregnant. If she's had children prior to her 30's getting knocked up again in her 30's won't be too hard. If she's trying for kid #1 and doesn't start till her 30's it's likely she'll need a trip to the fertility clinic.

Women are taught they can have it all and put off having children as long as they want but that's absolute b.s. The best and easiest time to get pregnant, your prime years, are 17-24. The body will bounce back quickest, the pregnancy is likely to be trouble free, and then you will enjoy more freedom later while having grown kids but still being relatively young.

Just saying.
 
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Oh and the kids will be healthier too. A woman having a child over 30 is more likely to have a child with a genetic defect than her younger counterparts.

So clearly NCFY you don't know what the heck you're talking about. :mrgreen:
 
I'm as much of a proponent of h8ing on white trash as you, but there are plenty of situations where getting married "young" isn't that bad. My cousin and his girlfriend started dating when they were 12 or 13 and got married at 21. Neither one was planning on going to college, but they both have decent jobs. Now they own their own house and are planning on having kids in the near future. They're in a much better position financially and socially than most of the 27 year olds I know who are finishing their masters in whatever the ****, are on match.com looking for a soulmate, are living in the "nice" part of Bushwick and are trying to pay off their 150k in loans with their 50k salary at their job in "advertising."

The fact that younger people are statistically more likely to get divorced/end up in poverty doesn't mean that it's always a bad idea.

Right, I don't know what you're talking about. Your cousin must naturally be a jesus freak red neck hill billy that lives out in a trailer down from the high school he never graduated from with his wife that needs to clean herself with a rag on a stick while he beats his kid because he doesn't care for them. Seriously, I think you need to take a second look at your cousin because what you said is impossible and just can't happen for someone that got married and had kids under 30
 
My mom was 18 when she got married, and 19 when her first kid was born. She and my pop are still together after 36 years.

Last I checked, I'm not white trash.
 
By the time a woman is in her 30's she is past her biological prime for getting pregnant. If she's had children prior to her 30's getting knocked up again in her 30's won't be too hard. If she's trying for kid #1 and doesn't start till her 30's it's likely she'll need a trip to the fertility clinic.

Women are taught they can have it all and put off having children as long as they want but that's absolute b.s. The best and easiest time to get pregnant, your prime years, are 17-24. The body will bounce back quickest, the pregnancy is likely to be trouble free, and then you will enjoy more freedom later while having grown kids but still being relatively young.

Just saying.


I thought menopause doesnt happen until late 50s.
 
Oh and the kids will be healthier too. A woman having a child over 30 is more likely to have a child with a genetic defect than her younger counterparts.

So clearly NCFY you don't know what the heck you're talking about. :mrgreen:

My girlfriend keeps reminding me of this fact every time she finds out about some rare birth defect that is more likely to occur when the mother is older. :doh

Whatever happened to the good old days where women stayed at home and weren't allowed to go out and gain medical knowledge?
 
By the time a woman is in her 30's she is past her biological prime for getting pregnant. If she's had children prior to her 30's getting knocked up again in her 30's won't be too hard. If she's trying for kid #1 and doesn't start till her 30's it's likely she'll need a trip to the fertility clinic.

Women are taught they can have it all and put off having children as long as they want but that's absolute b.s. The best and easiest time to get pregnant, your prime years, are 17-24. The body will bounce back quickest, the pregnancy is likely to be trouble free, and then you will enjoy more freedom later while having grown kids but still being relatively young.

Just saying.

But luckily we have Western medicine so you can can pregnant after you've finished school and have a mortgage.

Do you people seriously thing college girls should get pregnant?
 
yes they absolutely are

I don't think you understand what "absolutely" means.

I know quite a few examples to the contrary of successful young parents.

The correct age to have a child is the early 30s after you've completed your education. It's the best for you and and it's the best for your child.

Correct according to whom? You do know that the older the parents the greater the chance of birth defects right?

You know who has children early in life? WHITE TRASH, like Palin's family, because they couldn't control their urges well enough to put it off until they were ready.

So no one < 30 has "control over their urges" if they have a child? Most people I know finished undergrad and are ready for marriage in their early 20's.

Is a person "white trash" if they don't have their masters/phd?
 
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I thought menopause doesnt happen until late 50s.

It's not related to menopause, it's just a biological thing. It becomes more difficult to conceive and the risks of birth defect are higher.

Odds of having a child with Downs at 25: 1/1500
Odds of having a child with Downs at 30: 1/900
Odds of having a child with Downs at 35: 1/350
Odds of having a child with Downs at 40: 1/100
Odds of having a child with Downs at 45: 1/19
 
Yeah, and, generally 30 year olds have their **** together a little bit better then 19 year olds.

If you have a kid when you're 19, bottom line, you're ****ing your life up. That's what abortion is for.
 
But luckily we have Western medicine so you can can pregnant after you've finished school and have a mortgage.

Do you people seriously thing college girls should get pregnant?

If they're in college, probably not, because it's difficult to do both. If they've graduated or if they're not going to college, then sure, assuming the rest of their situation is okay.
 
I thought menopause doesnt happen until late 50s.

Maybe it's a use it or loose it type thing. All I know is the further past 24 you get when having your first kid the harder it is to conceive. A woman's prime for making babes is 17-24 in regards to both her health, the babies health, the health of the pregnancy, the ease of conceiving, and the likelihood that the pregnancy will be low risk and trouble free.
 
Do you people seriously thing college girls should get pregnant?

Not possible to give you an answer based simply off that statement.

See, that's where the difference is.

You're making it out as if age is the determining factor, others of us DON'T think it is. And when you actually start tying to make your argument you show you don't either. You talk about not having financial security, not having an education, not being able to control urges.

While yes, age relates to those things, it is not a direct equation. Being young Does Not automatically equal "no financial security" or "no education" or "inability to control urges". It just isn't the case.

So you complain about how "people under 30 shouldn't get married" and you keep acting like its about age...but then your argument has little to nothing to do about age.

Two people could be out of school and into a job by the time their 22 or 23. Depending on the field of work they could potentially be in a stable, well paying job by 19 or 20. Some people are just not going to be financial sound eough to do anything but possibly a 2 year assossiates degree or just not have the skills to get into a 4 year good university...should they just be barred from being married or having kids since you seem to think some form of higher education is mandatory for it?

That's why I said its not necessarily a bad thing for young people to be married or have children, because the age is not the only factor that matters. You can't tell me "19 and 22 year old are married, good or bad" and except me to say definitively one way or another anymore than if you said "31 and 33 year old" because neither tell me anything about whether they should be married or have kids.
 
Yeah, and, generally 30 year olds have their **** together a little bit better then 19 year olds.

If you have a kid when you're 19, bottom line, you're ****ing your life up. That's what abortion is for.

Most 19 year olds? Probably. But there are plenty who aren't ****ing up their lives, and I know plenty of 30 year olds who don't have their **** together either.

A 19 year old with a healthy baby will probably have a less "****ed up" life than a 30 year old with a baby with Downs.
 
Yeah, and, generally 30 year olds have their **** together a little bit better then 19 year olds.

If you have a kid when you're 19, bottom line, you're ****ing your life up. That's what abortion is for.

Yay for more hyperbole. This game is fun.

NCFY, he stands for mandatory abortion if you're under 30.
 
Of course it's better for all parties involved to have their **** together before concieving a baby, but in real life, that is not going to happen all the time. Either the person is going to become responsible and be a parent, or they are not, and that's at any age.
 
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