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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    And that's a real achievement, however it's notable as an achievement due to its unlikelihood.

    You're personalizing the class debate.
    Not really, I'm offering a counter-point to an over-generalization.

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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    It is about balance and different families have different needs, means, and values. To call one choice lazy and another selfish is just retarded in absence of any facts. I know all kinds of families. I know families where the moms and dad are on rotating schedules with one working at night while the other works days. I know families where one spouse works part time to be home when the kids are home from school. I know families where mom doesn't work and doesn't do much else. I know families where mom doesn't work but she's heavily involved in school, sports, and the community. I know families where mom works a little on the side. I know families where mom goes back to work when the kids are in high school. And I even know one, just one but still one, where dad stays home and mom works. I also know families where mom and dad both work so much they only see the kids for about 10 minutes for bedtime, daily.

    Sitting in judgment of the wide variety of choices is just retarded. Couples never have the exact same situation, the exact same resources, and so any exact comparison of the merits of their choice in contrast with other choices is futile. If the family is healthy and the kids are healthy and everyone is happy and it's working for you then you're doing great. If a situation isn't working then change it.

    But there is little to be gained by peering over the neighbors fence and tossing out adjectives like lazy while you smugly pat yourself on the back.
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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    You guys can cling to relativism all you want but the reality is that children when you're young is an unnecessary burden which will stunt your personal and career development. Of course many people triumph through this and raise mathletes that go to space camp, but my position is more likely then yours.
    Increased likelihood of a negative outcome doesn't mean that something shouldn't happen. If gay guys are more likely to get divorced, does that mean that no gay guys should get married?
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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Increased likelihood of a negative outcome doesn't mean that something shouldn't happen. If gay guys are more likely to get divorced, does that mean that no gay guys should get married?
    that's a specious comparison and you know it. divorce, while unpleasant, doesn't fundamentally shape the rest of your life like your early 20s. Where you go to school, how long you go to school and your formative career years have a dramatic impact on your future lifestyle.

    when you're in your early 20s your focus should be on personal success.

    people who go through more education also have a much lower divorce rate.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Many times a lot. For one, most of the time the husband does not make enough. Unless he makes 90k up, more than likely its not enough to raise a family, meet their needs, and buy a home on that alone.

    Secondly, this a different time now than it was 50 years ago or more. Back then, many stay at home mothers also had farms to deal with and several kids. It truly was a full time job to stay at home, take care of the land and kids while your husband was at work.

    Today, most people have 2 kids. Keeping 2 or 3 kids all day does not constitute a job. I know, I know.... But what about all the housework, laundry, feeding them, working with them on their homework, and so on. Yeah, well, working parents manage to do all that too - AND work a 40 hour a week job or more.

    Most of the kids I know with stay at home mothers are just plain rotten kids. The reason why is their mother just ends up appeasing the kids so she can do all the things she wants to do during the day. I mean come on, why do you think all those soaps, and shows like Doctor Phil, and The View are on TV all day long? Its because these stay at home Moms who are quick to tell you that being a stay at home mom with 2 kids is a full time job, are actually spending much of the day sitting on their ass watching those shows. Like I say, there is nothing they do that my wife doesn't do, she just does it on top of working a full time job.

    Moreover, if you don't work, on top of fostering laziness, and many times rotten kids, it also many times leads to a household that does not bring in enough money which hurts the kids future because the family is not able to provide for the kind of enrichment and future education two income families can provide.

    Anyway, I think in many cases its a big mistake for both parents not to work. Especially once the kids start school. This is a different world than it used to be. Stay at home moms are not out taking care of livestock on top of raising kids while the father is at work.
    Since I am a temporary stay at home dad, until I start college this summer, I sympathize with stay at home moms across the country, and can basically state from experience(which you probably lack) that your post is full of it. For one, moms 50 years ago didn't "tend to the land" on the farm. Thats what the dad and the kids that were old enough did(while the kids weren't in school). I've known generational farmers, and I've never met one where the woman ran the farm and raised the kids.

    I cannot make any defense for the absurd crap that is on daytime TV though.
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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    that's a specious comparison and you know it. divorce, while unpleasant, doesn't fundamentally shape the rest of your life like your early 20s. Where you go to school, how long you go to school and your formative career years have a dramatic impact on your future lifestyle.

    when you're in your early 20s your focus should be on personal success.

    people who go through more education also have a much lower divorce rate.
    Black guys are significantly less likely to be involved in raising their children.

    Ergo, no black guy should ever impregnate anyone.

    It's for the children, really.
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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Black guys are significantly less likely to be involved in raising their children.

    Ergo, no black guy should ever impregnate anyone.

    It's for the children, really.
    Again, specious, and you know it.

    I'm not advocating a ban on young marriages, I'm merely pointing out, that if you want to give yourself and your children the absolute best chance for success you need to not get pregnant and finish your degree. And then both partners should get a job.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Again, specious, and you know it.

    I'm not advocating a ban on young marriages, I'm merely pointing out, that if you want to give yourself and your children the absolute best chance for success you need to not get pregnant and finish your degree. And then both partners should get a job.
    So now people without college degrees shouldn't have kids either?

    Jeez. So the millions of Americans who are raised by construction workers and other blue-collar types are screwed?

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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Again, specious, and you know it.

    I'm not advocating a ban on young marriages, I'm merely pointing out, that if you want to give yourself and your children the absolute best chance for success you need to not get pregnant and finish your degree. And then both partners should get a job.
    They better pick a good field too because those IVF treatments get quite costly and adoption too takes lots of dough.

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    Re: Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Again, specious, and you know it.

    I'm not advocating a ban on young marriages, I'm merely pointing out, that if you want to give yourself and your children the absolute best chance for success you need to not get pregnant and finish your degree. And then both partners should get a job.
    The fact that it would be better for most people in most situations does not mean it would be better for all people in all situations. There are plenty of people for whom getting a college education would do absolutely nothing to improve their situation.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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