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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm glad he signed it. Some very good national security and state and local public safety projects are going to get done. I'm just tickled!





    I am just afraid the projects you see funding for in the LEO and HS fields could have been much more if there were far less of these idiotic programs included in these bills.


    furthermore, worthy programs like the ones you keep hinting at get a negative connotation and view attached to money for tattoo removal for crack whores.
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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, folks, I was all over Bush about his spending, and you know what else? I thought nobody could be more irresponsible than Bush, and spend more than he did. Damn, was I ever wrong. I will grant Obama at least this much, though - He didn't try to mislead everybody by hiding the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not including all that in the budget, like Bush did. But that is little consolation to me, as the monetary bleeding of our economy shows no sign of abating.

    Article is here.

    So, what do you think about the spending bill that was signed today?
    You know how I feel; but no one should be surprised at this level of spending without any debate on how to pay for it all. Obama was honest about what he would do when he got into office.

    It defies anyone's wildest imagination what it will cost the tax payers of this country to pay all this back.

    There is NO way the markets will recover when the analysts figure in the interest on the debt, new taxes on businesses, carbon taxes and the inflationary impact of printing money.

    I hope I am wrong; but on this one, I feel pretty confident I am right.

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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I disagree, too much spending in short term can DEFINITELY affect long term.

    Here's the thing I said in another thread. A friend I know would love to have the money to send his 3 kids through college, home payed off, Vacations for the next 10-20 years, cars payed off, and vacation home payed off RIGHT NOW.

    The simple fact is he can't get all that done RIGHT NOW on his budget.

    Like it or not the U.S. SHOULD be on some sort of budget as well, and as much as I would like to see many of the programs Obama wants implemented, we simply do not have the money to do so RIGHT NOW.

    Again, whether I like it or not, irrespnsible spending is still irrespniisible.

    I would like to see the whole world funded to the point, noone goes without food, water, shelter, education, technology, college education, and owning their own home, but I cannot do this on my budget.

    It isn't a matter of good will, it is a matter of what we can or cannot spend on these programs.

    In the long term, we stand the great chance of devaluating the dollar on the global market, going bust on many government run programs, and making it worse for the U.S. economy.

    Here is the problem, I know how the government runs things. I was forced to deal with it for many many years in the military.

    It takes triplicate forms to change my address assuming it even got passed the mounds of paperwork on someones desk and not into the trashcan.

    I am liberal leaning and while I don't mind seeing money spent on the homefront, I want it done responsibly.

    I like Bill Clinton for one reason. He was a moderate liberal, that worked with congress. Obama to me seems to be RUN by congress or at worse in cooperation of.

    Enough with the spending, Obama isn't even giving enough time to see if the spending works or whether to abandon it and go some other path.
    We are surprisingly now in agreement but for different reasons. I think Government programs are harmful regardless of how they are passed, you think they are a good idea.

    But the truly irresponsible issue that overrides everything else is the lack of honesty from the Democrats and Obama. Where is the honesty about how to pay for these programs? We have watched Obama pass over $1.2 trillion in spending without ONE debate as to how to pay for it.

    Yes we have heard the rhetoric he is famous for suggesting that they will fund some of the cost by cutting wasteful Government programs.

    We heard the same false rhetoric from Clinton and Gore, and when it came down to cuts, it was the military that bore the brunt of the cuts.

    Every program they will look at will involve layoffs; and I am certain that it is the LAST thing this Administration will do at this time because they promised to "create" 3.5 million jobs by the end of their first term.

    The cost to the American taxpayer will be HUGE and cover a broad spectrum of the tax paying public regardless of the political double talk we have seen. If you taxed the top 100 wealthiest individuals in the US 100%, it still would not be enough to pay for these new spending programs.

    In addition, increased taxes on corporations and carbon taxes will be passed onto the very people Obama proclaims to want to help. Capital gains tax increases will affect capital investment and thus impact business and job growth and to top it all off, States like California are passing tax increases that more than swallow up the meager sums Obama has promised everyone will get back from the Feds who make less than $250K.

    This fantasy Liberals and Democrats are wallowing in will bite ALL of us in the ass and suspend any possibly economic recovery until these policies are reversed or suspended. Americans will truly be reaping what they sowed by electing these naive numbskulls into power.

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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I think Government programs are harmful regardless of how they are passed, you think they are a good idea.
    I don't think ALL government programs are good.

    I think some are good, because I have seen first hand the people that they have helped. I've seen honest people go on welfare until they get back on their feet and get off it. The government programs helped with that.

    The problem comes with those that abuse programs and I don't deny there are many that do. We should not have 3rd and now 4th generation people on welfare. Either they are abusing the system, or they fell through the cracks and something needs to be re-evaluated to help them get off welfare.

    As for the stimulus, I agree and have even said I do not like all of what Obama has passed or I don't think it should have been passed right now wince we can't afford it.

    I am for Universal Health care, but not right now we cannot afford it and it should not be on agenda. What I think needs to be looked at is revamping the health care problems we have right now. Maybe if those were fixed we wouldn't even need the universal health care. And if it cannot be fixed or revamped, then we can start to look at UHC.

    We should not be allowing illegal aliens to use the health care system for free and then force John Smith who is at the poverty level being forced to pay because he doesn't qualify for government help. I actually saw this personally.

    I will also agree that many of these programs should not be done simply because the government doesn't have a good handle on the ones it does now. All we are adding is just more bureaucracy, and less efficiency.

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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    1. Obama promised to reform earmarks, not eliminate them entirely in the middle of an impending government shutdown; even reforming them is really the Congress's prerogative, not his.

    2. What you call "pet projects" are, by an overwhelming majority, projects that are actually helpful, and create jobs.

    3. They come to about 2 percent of the total bill.

    4. And a huge proportion of them were forced in there by Republicans.

    5. This bill shouldn't even have been on the table now -- Bush should have signed it months ago. Too bad he was on a mental vacation for the last several months of his presidency.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, folks, I was all over Bush about his spending, and you know what else? I thought nobody could be more irresponsible than Bush, and spend more than he did. Damn, was I ever wrong. I will grant Obama at least this much, though - He didn't try to mislead everybody by hiding the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not including all that in the budget, like Bush did. But that is little consolation to me, as the monetary bleeding of our economy shows no sign of abating.

    Article is here.

    So, what do you think about the spending bill that was signed today?

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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. Couldn't even venture a guess. But I know a lot of good men and women developed a lot of good projects that got on that bill. So I know it's not all wasteful spending.
    In otherwords, "I'm far too distracted with the Messiah to even address the issue of pork projects being included."
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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Lets see how many times we see an excuse designed to give The Obama a pass

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloDollyLlama View Post
    1. Obama promised to reform earmarks, not eliminate them entirely in the middle of an impending government shutdown; even reforming them is really the Congress's prerogative, not his.
    2 passes:
    -There is no impending government shutdown
    -The Obama can veto any legislation He wants, forcing congress to eliminate spending He doesn't want

    What you call "pet projects" are, by an overwhelming majority, projects that are actually helpful, and create jobs.
    Another excuse: "Its OK because (IMHO) these are GOOD earmarks"

    They come to about 2 percent of the total bill.
    Another excuse. "Its OK because there arent that many"

    And a huge proportion of them were forced in there by Republicans.
    Probably a lie, and certainly another excuse
    "Its not The Obama's fault because the GOP did it"
    Never mind that the GOP cannot force anything into legislation, and the GOP did not force The Obama to sign it.

    This bill shouldn't even have been on the table now -- Bush should have signed it months ago.
    Another excuse - an extrarodinarily lame attempt to pass the blame to Bush regarding a bill that did not exist until after he left office.

    But hey -- you keep drinking the kool-aid your Messiah gives you.

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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    And a huge proportion of them were forced in there by Republicans.
    I believe I saw a figure that landed the earmarks at 60% D and 40% R. So while a large portion of earmarks were R earmarks, an even larger amount were apparently "forced" in there by D's.

    Why the selective outrage against the R earmarks?
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    Re: Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Why the selective outrage against the R earmarks?
    Partisan bigotry?

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