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Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

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Europeans debate castration of sex offenders - International Herald Tribune

Whether castration can help rehabilitate violent sex offenders has come under new scrutiny after the Council of Europe's anti-torture committee last month called surgical castration "invasive, irreversible and mutilating" and demanded the Czech Republic stop offering the procedure to violent sex offenders. Other critics said that castration threatened to lead society down a dangerous road toward eugenics.

The Czech Republic has allowed at least 94 prisoners to be surgically castrated over the past decade. It is the only country in Europe that uses the procedure for sex offenders. Czech psychiatrists supervising the treatment - a one-hour operation that involves removal of the tissue that produces testosterone - insist that it is the most foolproof way to tame sexual urges in dangerous predators.
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Now, more countries in Europe are considering mandating or allowing chemical castration for violent sex offenders. There is intense debate over whose rights take precedence: those of violent sex offenders, who could be subjected to a punishment that many consider cruel, or those of society, which expects protection from sexual predators.

Poland is expected to become the first nation of the European Union to give judges the right to impose chemical castration on at least some convicted pedophiles, using hormonal drugs to curb sexual appetite; the impetus for the change was the arrest of a 45-year-old man in September who had fathered two children by his young daughter.

Spain is considering plans to offer chemical castration after a convicted pedophile killed a child.
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In its report, the committee also said that it had found cases of first-time, nonviolent offenders who had been surgically castrated, including mentally retarded men and exhibitionists. Although the procedure is voluntary, Butala said that he believed some offenders feel they have no choice.

"Sex offenders are requesting castration in hope of getting released from a life of incarceration," he said. "Is that really free and informed consent?"
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In the United States, the Supreme Court ruled in 1985 that involuntary surgical castration constituted cruel and unusual punishment. Several states, including Texas, Florida and California, now allow or mandate chemical castration for certain convicted sex offenders.
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I don't understand how one can support surgical castration while simultaneously opposing the death penalty.
 
Taking a life and cutting off the penis is very different.
 
RightinNYC said:
Europeans debate castration of sex offenders - International Herald Tribune









I don't understand how one can support surgical castration while simultaneously opposing the death penalty.
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This will only turn those offenders into more violent offenders. You take a guys manhood in an attempt to kill his drive and "disarm" him you might as well put a gun in his hand and tell him he has nothing to live for. Segregation of sexual offenders and rehabilitation are the only ways in which to protect society from them. Well you could execute them, but I'm not a death penalty supporter.
 
Laila said:
Taking a life and cutting off the penis is very different.
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I'm aware, but both involve an irreversible imposition on a person's physical being.
 
RightinNYC said:
I'm aware, but both involve an irreversible imposition on a person's physical being.
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Yes but one still has the heart beating.

If someone is found innocent for pedophilia [very rare/doubtful] then huge compensation would occur.

If someone is killed inside US, what can the state do? It cannot resurrect the criminal can it?
 
Laila said:
Yes but one still has the heart beating.

If someone is found innocent for pedophilia [very rare/doubtful] then huge compensation would occur.

If someone is killed inside US, what can the state do? It cannot resurrect the criminal can it?
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And "compensation" can make up for the improper removal of his organs by the state? Can you resurrect his dick?
 
I completely disagree with this.

A youth leader where I live was accused by a boy of sexual molesting him. Turned out the boy was lying, his mum angry by the rejection of her "advances" towards the youth leader persuaded her son to tell this to the authorities. The boy confessed in court that it was a lie.

What if he didn't confess and this castration took place.

An innocent man would be castrated. Can you imagine the horror if that man was you??

Corporal Punishment and Capital Punishment SHOULD NOT be allowed as our justice system is not infallible an dis prone to mistakes and the lying of human beings.
 
GarzaUK said:
Corporal Punishment and Capital Punishment SHOULD NOT be allowed as our justice system is not infallible an dis prone to mistakes and the lying of human beings.
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Agreed, i wouldn't support neither castration or death penalty. I think they are both barbaric.
 
new coup for you said:
don't we have operative castration in this country?
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"Chemical castration" is a misnomer, there are no actual permanent changes to the person. It's just a medication that the individual has to take regularly that inhibits their libido. It's actually a large dose of female birth control medication.
 
First offense, castration of the gonads, second offense, penis comes off and you get 20 years minimum, third offense, death....
but only when there is clear proof.

We don't want another DA and social worker team ruining the lives of dozens of people like in Bakersfield when dozens of people were accused and imprisoned for up to 20 years, all based on lies fed to the children by the social worker, the deputies, and the DA...
If that happens again, the adult liars should get the same sentence as those charged get, or even MIGHT have gotten....
 
GarzaUK said:
I completely disagree with this.

A youth leader where I live was accused by a boy of sexual molesting him. Turned out the boy was lying, his mum angry by the rejection of her "advances" towards the youth leader persuaded her son to tell this to the authorities. The boy confessed in court that it was a lie.

What if he didn't confess and this castration took place.

An innocent man would be castrated. Can you imagine the horror if that man was you??

Corporal Punishment and Capital Punishment SHOULD NOT be allowed as our justice system is not infallible an dis prone to mistakes and the lying of human beings.
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You doing good up until that last.

Nothing wrong with a good caning to teach a tagger to stop "decorating" someone else's property.

Nothing wrong with executing the guilty. There's no doubt in anyone honest person's mind that Mumia shot that cop, he should have been executed decades ago. There's no doubt that Jose Avilla kidnapped, raped, and murdered little five year old Samantha Runnion, his DNA was in her, her DNA was in his car.

Why isn't that man dead now?

There are cases where the processes could be tightened up some.

There are cases where no sane person has any doubt what happened. In these cases, why shouldn't the culprit be executed? No good reason, is why.
 
Hmm...I could actually support this under the following conditions:

1) The offender was guilty of forcible rape, molestation of a child 12 or younger, or murder / attempted murder.
2) This was at least the second offense of this nature since the offender turned 18.
3) A court psychologist determined that the crimes were primarily sexual in nature (a gangster gunning down another gangster doesn't qualify), and that there was a high probability that castration would prevent future offenses.
4) The offender willingly chooses castration in exchange for leniency.
 
The article seemed to indicate that the castration was voluntary. As long as the procedure isn't forced, I have no issue with it.
 
RightinNYC said:
-- Can you resurrect his dick?
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Testosterone injections will help here if the person is innocent.

As Laila said before - the two punishments (Death Penalty + Castration) are quite different. i.e. there are treatments that can alleviate the treatment of one and only miracles will alleviate the other.
 
I would classify castration as cruel and unusual under the Geneva Convention, although if Europeans agree to this, it will suddenly be "ok" in the books of the UN. After all, that's how the UN works!

If Europeans agree to this, I no longer want to hear pro-choice arguments for abortion and talk about a woman's sovereignty to her body. A person's bodily rights are NEVER waived, regardless if they are criminal or not.
 
Orius said:
I would classify castration as cruel and unusual under the Geneva Convention, although if Europeans agree to this, it will suddenly be "ok" in the books of the UN. After all, that's how the UN works!

If Europeans agree to this, I no longer want to hear pro-choice arguments for abortion and talk about a woman's sovereignty to her body. A person's bodily rights are NEVER waived, regardless if they are criminal or not.
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How do you figure? Incarceration violates your bodily rights, does it not?

As long as the offender agrees to it in exchange for leniency, I don't see what the problem is.
 
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rathi said:
The article seemed to indicate that the castration was voluntary. As long as the procedure isn't forced, I have no issue with it.
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It's not really "voluntary" if you tell the prisoner that he can either be castrated and go free or refuse castration and spend the rest of his life in jail. It's incredibly coercive.

Infinite Chaos said:
Testosterone injections will help here if the person is innocent.

As Laila said before - the two punishments (Death Penalty + Castration) are quite different. i.e. there are treatments that can alleviate the treatment of one and only miracles will alleviate the other.
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I bet that telling someone who's had his balls removed that he can get testosterone injections isn't very comforting.
 
Kandahar said:
How do you figure? Incarceration violates your bodily rights, does it not?

As long as the offender agrees to it in exchange for leniency, I don't see what the problem is.
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Incarceration is taking away your freedom of movement.

Castration is a permanent surgical procedure.

They are two different things. One is your right to movement, and one is the right your bodily sovereignty. When you're in prison, you have the right to not be raped and physically abused (even though it does happen).
 
You don't have to have a penis to rape. My brother was raped when he was 8 with a broom handle by a family friend.
I don't think castration would do anything.
 
If someone rapes a child they should go to prison for life.

I dont think we should start experimenting with these violent punishments.I know there is a massive fear among parents but these cases are very rare still.

The truth is you cant always protect children from danger i mean why not ban dogs they kill children every so often all different kinds of breeds.
 
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