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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I would classify castration as cruel and unusual under the Geneva Convention, although if Europeans agree to this, it will suddenly be "ok" in the books of the UN. After all, that's how the UN works!

    If Europeans agree to this, I no longer want to hear pro-choice arguments for abortion and talk about a woman's sovereignty to her body. A person's bodily rights are NEVER waived, regardless if they are criminal or not.
    How do you figure? Incarceration violates your bodily rights, does it not?

    As long as the offender agrees to it in exchange for leniency, I don't see what the problem is.
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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The article seemed to indicate that the castration was voluntary. As long as the procedure isn't forced, I have no issue with it.
    It's not really "voluntary" if you tell the prisoner that he can either be castrated and go free or refuse castration and spend the rest of his life in jail. It's incredibly coercive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Testosterone injections will help here if the person is innocent.

    As Laila said before - the two punishments (Death Penalty + Castration) are quite different. i.e. there are treatments that can alleviate the treatment of one and only miracles will alleviate the other.
    I bet that telling someone who's had his balls removed that he can get testosterone injections isn't very comforting.
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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    How do you figure? Incarceration violates your bodily rights, does it not?

    As long as the offender agrees to it in exchange for leniency, I don't see what the problem is.
    Incarceration is taking away your freedom of movement.

    Castration is a permanent surgical procedure.

    They are two different things. One is your right to movement, and one is the right your bodily sovereignty. When you're in prison, you have the right to not be raped and physically abused (even though it does happen).

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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    You don't have to have a penis to rape. My brother was raped when he was 8 with a broom handle by a family friend.
    I don't think castration would do anything.

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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    If someone rapes a child they should go to prison for life.

    I dont think we should start experimenting with these violent punishments.I know there is a massive fear among parents but these cases are very rare still.

    The truth is you cant always protect children from danger i mean why not ban dogs they kill children every so often all different kinds of breeds.
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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    It's not really "voluntary" if you tell the prisoner that he can either be castrated and go free or refuse castration and spend the rest of his life in jail. It's incredibly coercive.
    If the normal punishment would be life in prison, I don't see the problem with such a policy. The offender is simply given another option.The whole point of keeping them in prison is to protect society from their criminal actions. If they can prevent the offenders from committing further crimes by other means, there is little reason for them to be in prison. Do you think having the option to get castrated instead of prison is worse than no choice at all?

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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    So the choice is to either have your body mutilated and live a life as someone who has disfigured genitalia, or have no life at all.

    I would like to see evidence that castration prevents pedophiles from desiring children. Last time I checked it was a social/emotional thing just as much as it is a sexual thing.

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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    --I bet that telling someone who's had his balls removed that he can get testosterone injections isn't very comforting.
    I never said it would be - however Laila made the point that someone who's had their testicles removed is still alive and breathing afterwards. Someone who's had the death penalty imposed on them has nothing.

    You are the one in the first post equating the two!

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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If the normal punishment would be life in prison, I don't see the problem with such a policy. The offender is simply given another option.The whole point of keeping them in prison is to protect society from their criminal actions. If they can prevent the offenders from committing further crimes by other means, there is little reason for them to be in prison. Do you think having the option to get castrated instead of prison is worse than no choice at all?
    If I put a gun to your head and say "your money or your life," is your decision to hand me your wallet being made "voluntarily"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I never said it would be - however Laila made the point that someone who's had their testicles removed is still alive and breathing afterwards. Someone who's had the death penalty imposed on them has nothing.

    You are the one in the first post equating the two!
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    Quote Originally Posted by laila
    Taking a life and cutting off the penis is very different.
    I'm aware, but both involve an irreversible imposition on a person's physical being.
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    Re: Europeans debate castration of sex offenders

    If I put a gun to your head and say "your money or your life," is your decision to hand me your wallet being made "voluntarily"?
    Not a comparable analogy. Sex offenders go to prison by default if convicted. I hope we can agree that is a reasonable practice and they deserve to go to prison. Your analogy fails because death is not the same as imprisonment, and more importantly robbing someone is illegal and unethical, where as putting sex offender in prison is not. The only difference between our system and the Czech republic is that offenders have the option to get castrated if they decide its better than prison. In our system, they simply go straight to prison. If we use your analogy, the guy puts a gun to my head and shoots me without even asking for my money.

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