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Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

The police have no duty to protect you. I do not put my life in the hands of others, criminals or police.

That is where we differ. I trust my police to protect me

Interestingly enough, UK once had a 'right to bear arms' in it's uncodified constitution but ofc, parliament overruled it when it was made illegal.
 
That is where we differ. I trust my police to protect me


Really, so some rapist with his blood engorged member breaks into your house. How much rapin will he get done before the local constabulary arrives?


Interestingly enough, UK once had a 'right to bear arms' in it's uncodified constitution but ofc, parliament overruled it when it was made illegal.


Sad... Can't have the rabble armed..... .:roll:
 
Keeping America safe, one donut at a time.

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LOL
And i thought that only happened in Simpsons :p
 
Really, so some rapist with his blood engorged member breaks into your house. How much rapin will he get done before the local constabulary arrives?

Sad... Can't have the rabble armed..... .:roll:

I have a police station less than a mile away from me ... Pretty quick

Meh, don't view it as a loss - my friends disagree, they'd rather it be legalised.
 
I have a police station less than a mile away from me ... Pretty quick

Meh, don't view it as a loss - my friends disagree, they'd rather it be legalised.




ok, so lets say they run to thier cars. 6 minutes? How dead can one make you in 6 minutes?


Do you think this rapist will let you call the police if you ask REAL nice? :lol:
 
Do you think this rapist will let you call the police if you ask REAL nice? :lol:

I live with 4 others and we each have a mobile and a phone inside our room.

1 male? Really?

He'd have to come and rape me and i wouldn't exactly be silent now would i? :roll:

This scenario is ridiculous, i doubt it will occur to me but nvm.

You keep your guns, i don't want them
 
Go to a shooting range? Inside Scotland and areas outside of London. You can go hunting and shooting.
Phone the police?
Again, it takes the police time to arrive, which you may not have, if the police are a valid option that's great and is the way to go, but if you are being assaulted you have literally seconds to take your defense into your own hands.



I doubt it, if guns were legalised. I bet there would be a increase of crime rather than a decrease.
The exact opposite happens here in the United States, cities with the strictist gun laws suffer from the highest crime rates, Washington D.C. and Chicago are prime examples of that.



No one wants gun.
It ridiculous to own a gun in London, going to go pigeon hunting?
I seriously doubt no one wants a gun, I've seen many of your fellow U.K. citizens state the exact opposite in forums and on Youtube videos about U.K. gun control. Besides, who says that you have to use a gun where you own it, many hunters and sport shooters of the U.K. feel displaced because they are barred from ownership and reasonable use of their guns.

You can own a gun inside UK, it is just hard. No one bothers.
Which brings us back to square one, no one who follows the law bothers because they don't feel like the hassle is worth it, however a criminal, who might find those same guns very useful as a tool of either assault or intimidation doesn't follow those laws which hamper those who follow the law and don't find the process worth the time and other trade offs to own those same weapons.
 
The exact opposite happens here in the United States, cities with the strictist gun laws suffer from the highest crime rates, Washington D.C. and Chicago are prime examples of that.

Each country is different.
I wonder how many people die of a gun related incident inside US, it might be very high.

I seriously doubt no one wants a gun, I've seen many of your fellow U.K. citizens state the exact opposite in forums and on Youtube videos about U.K. gun control. Besides, who says that you have to use a gun where you own it, many hunters and sport shooters of the U.K. feel displaced because they are barred from ownership and reasonable use of their guns.

Ofc some want them, i didn't mean to make it sound like a blanket statement.
The general consensus is against weapons - The only party [Conservative] who are all about individuality; would not dare legalising.
How do you change a perception of guns inside a society that hasn't even held a gun let alone use it?

Which brings us back to square one, no one who follows the law bothers because they don't feel like the hassle is worth it, however a criminal, who might find those same guns very useful as a tool of either assault or intimidation doesn't follow those laws which hamper those who follow the law and don't find the process worth the time and other trade offs to own those same weapons.

I take your point, i just would not feel comfortable with the legalisation of such dangerous weapons.
 
This story is yet another Republican right wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton, I mean Ms. Clinton, er, uh, I meant to say Presdent Obanana to take away only Nazis oun gunsin America and are plannig toi kill all children on America under 14 years of age on the fourth of July. I got this from Keith Slobermad on his MSNBC show.
 
I'm going to stretch to the extreme scenario here, but there are criminals smart enough to do this:
I live with 4 others and we each have a mobile and a phone inside our room.
Four people make a difference, but only as far as who will be the brave one to start the defense. A criminal with a weapon can misstate intent and say he's just there to take some things, you concede because the property isn't worth being injured. Next he takes the phones and cuts the house phone off, that's communication eliminated. Next step, he orders the group to sit on chairs and put their arms behind their backs and proceeds to tie everyone down, then puts gags on all in the room, there is the numbers defense AND the immediate vocal response gone. Finally, the criminal decides to take things at his leisure and decides one of the room mates is cute, and he's horny, no one can scream, no one can defend you...........now what?





This scenario is ridiculous, i doubt it will occur to me but nvm.
No one thinks they'll ever be a victim, which is why I advocate learning self defense and being aware of your surroundings at all times. A gun is a very effective form of self defense, especially for smaller people and people facing an aggressive or armed or even drugged out attacker.

You keep your guns, i don't want them
Your choice, and of course we respect it, you are definitely more reasonable than many on your side who actively come after our guns.
 
I live with 4 others and we each have a mobile and a phone inside our room.

1 male? Really?

He'd have to come and rape me and i wouldn't exactly be silent now would i? :roll:

This scenario is ridiculous, i doubt it will occur to me but nvm.

You keep your guns, i don't want them





No more silly then the scenario that my guns are a threat to anyone.
 
Finally, the criminal decides to take things at his leisure and decides one of the room mates is cute, and he's horny, no one can scream, no one can defend you...........now what?

Then i die and get raped.
That scenario is .... rare to say the least

No one thinks they'll ever be a victim, which is why I advocate learning self defense and being aware of your surroundings at all times.

As do i hence why i do boxing and i learn wing chun - A form of martial arts.

Your choice, and of course we respect it, you are definitely more reasonable than many on your side who actively come after our guns.

Meh, not my problem or issue. Even if it was legalised in UK [Which it won't seeing we are in EU] i would just opt out.
 
I live with 4 others and we each have a mobile and a phone inside our room.

1 male? Really?

He'd have to come and rape me and i wouldn't exactly be silent now would i? :roll:

This scenario is ridiculous, i doubt it will occur to me but nvm.

You keep your guns, i don't want them

Richard Speck

...he terrorized the young women, including Gloria Davy, Patricia Matusek, Nina Schmale, Pamela Wilkening, Suzanne Farris, Mary Ann Jordan, Merlita Gargullo, and Valentina Pasion. Speck, who later claimed he was high on both alcohol and drugs, may have originally planned to commit a routine burglary. Speck held the women in the house for hours, methodically leading them out of the room one by one, stabbing or strangling them to death, then finally raping and strangling his last victim, Gloria Davy.
 
No more silly then the scenario that my guns are a threat to anyone.

The guns are not as threatening as the people with the weapons - Strict gun control is where it is at.
 
Richard Speck

...he terrorized the young women, including Gloria Davy, Patricia Matusek, Nina Schmale, Pamela Wilkening, Suzanne Farris, Mary Ann Jordan, Merlita Gargullo, and Valentina Pasion. Speck, who later claimed he was high on both alcohol and drugs, may have originally planned to commit a routine burglary. Speck held the women in the house for hours, methodically leading them out of the room one by one, stabbing or strangling them to death, then finally raping and strangling his last victim, Gloria Davy.

But i thought guns were legalised? o_O

"Richard Franklin Speck (December 6, 1941–December 5, 1991) was a mass murderer who systematically killed eight student nurses from South Chicago Community Hospital in Chicago, Illinois on July 14, 1966"

*sigh*
 
Each country is different.
I wonder how many people die of a gun related incident inside US, it might be very high.
Statistically, the percentages of Canada, the U.K., and America are very close, when you compare victim crime and take out suicides and justifyable homicides.



Ofc some want them, i didn't mean to make it sound like a blanket statement.
The general consensus is against weapons - The only party [Conservative] who are all about individuality; would not dare legalising.
How do you change a perception of guns inside a society that hasn't even held a gun let alone use it?
Good question. I find the best way is to educate people about what guns, how they work, and how to safely own/handle/use them, also in that is taking someone out shooting, all of those things take the "demon" aspect out of the gun.



I take your point, i just would not feel comfortable with the legalisation of such dangerous weapons.
Fair enough. I would advocate that you do some independent research on the subject just for kicks, I would speculate that you would become not so much an advocate for firearms, but would distrust the people responsible for stories like this more than the weaponry.
 
The guns are not as threatening as the people with the weapons - Strict gun control is where it is at.



Is where what is at? Tyranny? jack booted government thuggery?


Governments killed over 100 billion last century, are you sure it is my gun you should be worried about?
 
Is where what is at? Tyranny? jack booted government thuggery?

Governments killed over 100 billion last century, are you sure it is my gun you should be worried about?

Hey, you may want mental and criminals being able to get guns legally but i do not want that.

Yeah because i heard the Govt. had it in for us ...

This whole idea of a tiny little metal would prevent tyranny is ridiculous - but i understand where it first came from - I would have wanted weapons if i fought the British for independence. But 200 years on, you don't think you are being the slightest bit paranoid?
 
But i thought guns were legalised? o_O

"Richard Franklin Speck (December 6, 1941–December 5, 1991) was a mass murderer who systematically killed eight student nurses from South Chicago Community Hospital in Chicago, Illinois on July 14, 1966"

*sigh*

The point being made, you said 1 male, the scenario was ridiculous. It's not ridiculous, it occurs more frequently than we as a civilized nation would like.
 
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