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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Certainly are a deterrent. A deterrent against self-defense for law-abiding citizens (which I suppose you can say is their damned fault for being law abiding in the face of treason and tyranny).
    Yes I get that argument. "If everyone had a gun he would have died sooner".

    If everyone did have a gun would everyone use it responsibly or would it turn into the wild wild west? Should we allow killings in fair fights?
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes I get that argument. "If everyone had a gun he would have died sooner".

    If everyone did have a gun would everyone use it responsibly or would it turn into the wild wild west? Should we allow killings in fair fights?



    This is typical hoplophibic type of a response. US citizens own 192 million guns. Where is this "Wild West" you speak of?


    Surely with 192 million guns, if your paranoia and fear was with merit, there would be more than these isolated incidents every few years.....
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Gun laws are a deterrent. They can't stop gun crime but they can lessen it by making guns not openly available to people who aren't criminal minded enough to seek out weapons on the black market.
    Yeah. They sure deterred that guy in Germany!

    Laws only deter people willing to obey them.

    Like the poor people in Luby's Cafeteria, Kileen, Texas, that left their guns in their cars, only to be massacred by a creep that roamed the restaurant unopposed shooting and killing 21 people.

    Then how about those asses that killed thousands because law abiding citizens are denied their Constitutional freedom to bear arms on airplanes. Great laws, those gun control laws. They make victims out of citizens and empower the criminals.

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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is typical hoplophibic type of a response. US citizens own 192 million guns. Where is this "Wild West" you speak of?


    Surely with 192 million guns, if your paranoia and fear was with merit, there would be more than these isolated incidents every few years.....
    How many of those 192 million people carry their weapons with them to school and work?
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    This whole concept of deterrents is just a political construction to force people to anticipate shady data on an idea the party deems worthy. Besides the banning of guns...the death penalty does not deter. Crime lords and drug lords face a thousand times more danger and pain from their competitors/peers than from an governmental appendage. You could publicly execute thousands of people a day, and you will still find people to execute? Why? People don't give a **** about your laws, it is a mixture of rebellion and opportunism.

    However, the fact of the matter is that someone in Germany got a gun and killed people. Let us not forget that.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah. They sure deterred that guy in Germany!

    Laws only deter people willing to obey them.

    Like the poor people in Luby's Cafeteria, Kileen, Texas, that left their guns in their cars, only to be massacred by a creep that roamed the restaurant unopposed shooting and killing 21 people.

    Then how about those asses that killed thousands because law abiding citizens are denied their Constitutional freedom to bear arms on airplanes. Great laws, those gun control laws. They make victims out of citizens and empower the criminals.
    Crimes are deterred by the availability of the tool used to commit the crime. The harder it is to get the tool the more likely it will be the crime will not be committed.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes I get that argument. "If everyone had a gun he would have died sooner".

    If everyone did have a gun would everyone use it responsibly or would it turn into the wild wild west? Should we allow killings in fair fights?
    Gee....in the "Wild West"....random masascres didn't happen. Children didn't dare play with guns, they're fathers would kill them. They were taught to respect the power the gun gave them.

    And yes....if two adults wish to fight a duel, why not? None of my business if they want to stand at twenty paces in a controlled setting and shoot bullets at each other, or if they want to battle to the death using swordfish.

    What's that? Oh, yes. Absolutely correct. It's none of your business, either.

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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So then Gun laws are useless. Thank you.
    Honey, if someone wants a gun, they'll find a way to get one. Laws are often just a minor obstacle in some cases, unfortunately.

    How awful. My condolences to the poor families.

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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How many of those 192 million people carry their weapons with them to school and work?

    More than you know.


    Lets look at FL....


    Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits [to concealed carry] in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm."



    And are you conceding your Wild West hyperbole?
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Crimes are deterred by the availability of the tool used to commit the crime. The harder it is to get the tool the more likely it will be the crime will not be committed.
    That's wrong.
    Crimes are not about the tool used to do a certain task; I can put a slug in your face, or I could just smash your head in with a trash-can. Crimes are about the intent of the individuals If you really want to deter crime, then you are going to have to make THOUGHT illegal.
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