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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Link?
    Had it last night. Can't find it now.


    What percentage was that criminal on criminal?
    The source just gave a total, no break down. This doesn't matter anyway. A death is a death.



    idiot shooting innocents rare. very rare.
    Based on the numbers, I would say rare.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Approximately half of those gun deaths were suicides. Those deaths technically should be excluded from the number as they would have found some other method.

    This is actually irrelevant, considering that the using a gun is the most successful method of suicide. Other methods result, more often, in unsuccessful attempts.

    A gun death is a gun death.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

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    This is actually irrelevant, considering that the using a gun is the most successful method of suicide. Other methods result, more often, in unsuccessful attempts.
    Not exactly, there have been incidents where a gun related suicide attempt was unsuccessful, one case that comes to mind is that kid from the Jena six trial. Jumping, I could argue would be more successful than shooting, or overdosing on meds/drugs, I think we need to find the symptoms of suicide in time and stop them, the methodology of the act takes us away from that discussion in my opinion.

    A gun death is a gun death.
    On it's face you are correct, however I would argue that a gun suicide is different than a murder, which is radically different from other homicides. Basically, if the intent is to kill, whether it is a suicide or a homicide, the result will be the same regardless of the tool used.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not exactly, there have been incidents where a gun related suicide attempt was unsuccessful, one case that comes to mind is that kid from the Jena six trial. Jumping, I could argue would be more successful than shooting, or overdosing on meds/drugs, I think we need to find the symptoms of suicide in time and stop them, the methodology of the act takes us away from that discussion in my opinion.
    Though some gun related suicide attempts are unsucessful, of all methods of suicide, gun use is the most common in completed suicides:

    Firearms remain the most commonly utilized method of completing suicide by essentially all groups. More than half (52.1%) of the individuals who took their own lives in 2005 used this method.

    Suicide in the U.S.
    So, though I agree that suicide prevention is and recognition of suicidal symptoms are important, it doesn't change that what I said was accurate.

    On it's face you are correct, however I would argue that a gun suicide is different than a murder, which is radically different from other homicides. Basically, if the intent is to kill, whether it is a suicide or a homicide, the result will be the same regardless of the tool used.
    I'm not arguing any differently. What I'm saying is that if your intent is to kill, you will be most successful with a gun.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post

    What is the gun ammo usage vs deaths total?


    Minimal. I doubt it could even be measured.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is actually irrelevant, considering that the using a gun is the most successful method of suicide. Other methods result, more often, in unsuccessful attempts.

    A gun death is a gun death.



    By the same token then, a car death is a car death. no?
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Though some gun related suicide attempts are unsucessful, of all methods of suicide, gun use is the most common in completed suicides:

    So, though I agree that suicide prevention is and recognition of suicidal symptoms are important, it doesn't change that what I said was accurate.
    Gotcha, I thought you were attributing success to method rather than the statistic.

    I'm not arguing any differently. What I'm saying is that if your intent is to kill, you will be most successful with a gun.
    I don't think the gun will be any more successful in the hands of an incompetant shooter barring a lucky shot, I've known people who are worthless with a gun, but if you gave them anything else they could really ruin someone's health record.
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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    [QUOTE=Laila;1057955664]Why would law abiding people want guns?[/qutoe]

    Because they do.

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    There will always be criminals, having guns will not make a difference.
    Sure.

    Until that criminal is in your house and you're standing between him and your daughter wishing you had a sawed off shotgun, but don't because you supported a law making gun owernship illegal.

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    Besides, i would not want my neighbours having guns.
    It's none of your business if they have guns or not.

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    If required illegally the laws would hardly matter to the shooter now would it?
    More importantly, if people can have guns legally, the victims are more likely to be able to shoot back.

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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is actually irrelevant, considering that the using a gun is the most successful method of suicide. Other methods result, more often, in unsuccessful attempts.

    A gun death is a gun death.
    How many guns die each year?

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    Re: Gunman shot by police after massacre in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Minimal. I doubt it could even be measured.
    Would you say guns are used on the same frequency as people driving a car?

    According to the earlier stats the death rates of guns vs cars is pretty close. I would argue the usage rates vs death rates are much higher with guns as tens of millions of people every day drive their car. I would also argue that the intent to kill with guns vs cars is higher with guns.
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