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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    What arguments sound like ignorance?

    What that law abiding citizens with guns actually decrease crimes?

    I can repost my graphs showing how that is the case, do you want to see them?
    I have seen the graphs, they show that America has an overwhelming number of murder by firearms each year, which corresponds to the overwhelming number of guns in America.

    The ignorant arguments start with the fact that, of all people, firearms owners should lead the movement to reduce the number of firearms related crimes, accidents and murders. Yet they don't. The only priority for gun owners is to create more freedom to own guns. That just doesn't make sense.

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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Knowing how to field clean an AR15, or what ammo works in a Bushmaster, does not qualify you as an expert on weapons legislation.
    Nothing in this post changes anything that I said. You dont know the first thing about the subject of guns or gun control; every post you put up only reinforces this.

    Disagree? I'm sure you do.
    Normally, I'd ask you to then put up an informed, rational argument against guns/for increased gun control, but I know you'll run away from defending that argument, and so I won't waste the time.
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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I have seen the graphs, they show that America has an overwhelming number of murder by firearms each year, which corresponds to the overwhelming number of guns in America.
    Show this to be true.
    Then, if you believe this supports the idea that more guns = more gun related murders, explain how it is that the number of gun-related murders in the US is at the same level as it was 35-40 years ago, while the number of guns has risen considerably.

    The ignorant arguments start with the fact that, of all people, firearms owners should lead the movement to reduce the number of firearms related crimes, accidents and murders. Yet they don't.
    Based on what?

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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Knowing how to field clean an AR15, or what ammo works in a Bushmaster, does not qualify you as an expert on weapons legislation.



    How does one "field clean" an ar-15, and what is a "Bushmaster"?


    Your ignorance is rather entertaining.
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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I have seen the graphs, they show that America has an overwhelming number of murder by firearms each year, which corresponds to the overwhelming number of guns in America.

    The ignorant arguments start with the fact that, of all people, firearms owners should lead the movement to reduce the number of firearms related crimes, accidents and murders. Yet they don't. The only priority for gun owners is to create more freedom to own guns. That just doesn't make sense.
    Over 70 percent of Americans in jail for gun related crimes, did so with illegally bought firearms, so if you restrict the sale and use them you still have that 70 percent of people doing crime that is gun related.

    If you live in a place like England who has restricted the use of fire arms, you do not see a decrease in gun related crimes but you do see a large increase in home invasion. Now that people cannot defend themselves, theives are less likely to be scared to invade homes.

    The more law abiding citizens you have with firearms, are the less amount of home invasion and other crimes where criminals would think twice if the owner had a gun.
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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Over 70 percent of Americans in jail for gun related crimes, did so with illegally bought firearms, so if you restrict the sale and use them you still have that 70 percent of people doing crime that is gun related.

    I think it is higher than that. Close to 90.
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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How does one "field clean" an ar-15, and what is a "Bushmaster"?
    These are terms he's heard or seen used. He has no real idea as to what they are.

    Never mind that Bushmasters are considered 'destructive devices' by the BATF, and the ammo carries a tax of $200/rd.

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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    These are terms he's heard or seen used. He has no real idea as to what they are.

    Never mind that Bushmasters are considered 'destructive devices' by the BATF, and the ammo carries a tax of $200/rd.



    uhm Bushmaster is an ar-15 type rifle.
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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    uhm Bushmaster is an ar-15 type rifle.
    The Bushmaster is the 25mm gun on the M2/M3 Bradley series IFVs.

    M242 Bushmaster 25mm Automatic Gun


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    Re: 10 shot, killed in south Ala. towns; shooter dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The Bushmaster is the 25mm gun on the M2/M3 Bradley series IFVs.

    M242 Bushmaster 25mm Automatic Gun




    , Those are hard to conceal and I find them rather heavy for CQB applications.
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