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Disgusting behavior of British muslims to troops returning from Iraq

If you say so, champ.

Oh sorry excuse me. Obviously Saudi Arabia and Iran is an exception, you know, because they uphold the values of a free and fair society. :rofl
Where do you live???
 
You honestly believe that if every country was a democracy, we could achieve world peace and stability? :lol:

That's been a cornerstone of our foreign policy for decades. Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok. So let's help out countries trying to become democracies. We don't even seem to care anymore if they are capitalist. Just as long as they are democratic.
 
That's been a cornerstone of our foreign policy for decades. Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok. So let's help out countries trying to become democracies. We don't even seem to care anymore if they are capitalist. Just as long as they are democratic.

Democracies are easy to manipulate and are no way less violent than a non-democratic nations.

While that does not make them an achievable goal by other nations, in no way is it our right to impose our ideals onto others.

Democracy, Socialism, and Communism all promise the same things, what matters is not these promises that you speak of but the way they are used.
 
Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok.

Really? Are you considering how a Republic Democricy started or how it is now?

We have had a LOOOOOONG and hard bumpy road to where we are now. Let's take a look at the start.

*Woman being treated property (Where have I seen that before)
*Black being treated as property
*Children being used as labor
*Unsafe working conditions
*Slavery well intact.

Is this the proud start you wanted to tout about? Remember this was the start of the "Democracy" you are so proud of.

The fact is while we have great nation now, it started as quite an ignorant, fearful nation of its own people that occupied it. A nation that treated some people that occupied it unfairly and unmercifully.

You could even call some of our former leaders savages for what they approved of and did.
 
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Really? Are you considering how a Republic Democricy started or how it is now?

We have had a LOOOOOONG and hard bumpy road to where we are now. Let's take a look at the start.

*Woman being treated property (Where have I seen that before)
*Black being treated as property
*Children being used as labor
*Unsafe working conditions
*Slavery well intact.

Is this the proud start you wanted to tout about? Remember this was the start of the "Democracy" you are so proud of.

The fact is while we have great nation now, it started as quite an ignorant, fearful nation of its own people that occupied it. A nation that treated some people that occupied it unfairly and unmercifully.

You could even call some of our former leaders savages for what they approved of and did.

We see how wrong these things are now and thats a testiment to democracy.Without democracy it seems likely these things would still be going on.
 
Who are you to claim that Democracy is needed in the Middle East? Just because it works in the West does not mean that it can make the transition to the East.

Lets read between the lines of what your saying here your pretty much saying "democracy is ok for us but those stupid Arabs like having no say in the governments".

People use to make similar arguements about slavery "us white people like freedom it doesent mean black people do"

The same crap has been brought up about democracy people use to say democracy couldnt work in non-white countries.

They said it couldnt work in Japan, India, south america,africa.

As you may have noticed Iraqis do seem to have a taste for democracy hense them risking their lives to go vote.
 
Luton Protests: Two Arrested As Muslim Anti-War Demo Targets Parading British Soldiers | UK News | Sky News



A group of Muslim protesters, who were hemmed in by police as the soldiers marched past, waved placards with slogans including: "Anglian Soldiers: Butchers of Basra" and "Anglian Soldiers: cowards, killers, extremists".

One also read: "British Government Terrorist Government."

A number of people staged a counter-demonstration, which is when the trouble began.

Bedfordshire Police confirmed two people were arrested for public order offences and taken to Luton Police Station.

Superintendent Andy Martin said: "Disappointingly, a small number of people chose to cause a disturbance during the parade, which was quickly contained by officers.

Why dont these people just **** off no loyalty no respect.

Is it true you can see John Kerry, Dick Turbin, and Murtha in the crowd, introduced as "Our American Brothers" and were excitedly chanting and holding signs?
 
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BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Call for ban on military protests
Conservative MP David Davies has called on abusive protests against serving military personnel to be outlawed.

The Monmouth MP has tabled an amendment to a bill governing religious hatred that would extend protection to the Armed Forces.

It would make it an offence to incite hatred against serving soldiers.

He was responding to a small group of anti-war protesters who this week demonstrated in Luton at the homecoming parade of the Royal Anglian Regiment.

They held placards saying "Anglian soldiers go to hell" and "Butchers of Basra".
 
There were many reasons for the invasion, this was among them regardless of your apparent contempt for it.
However it's just not that simple either. The invasion of Iraq was NOT even remotely close to being primarily a benevolent effort to liberate the people of that nation. It was an opportunistic move to push an American sphere of influence into the middle east post 9-11.

A double negative, can I assume that this makes a positive, therefore it WAS to better their lives? Seriously, can you really think that anyone prefers the fear under a dictator like Saddam is happy under that kind of rule?
Whether or not this betters their lives is debatable. We will see. It's not been all that great up to this point but it appears to be getting better. We absolutely need to get out of that nation, and when we do, we shall see if our efforts truly made anything better for the populace at all.

And what in the heck is wrong with that? Should we never act in our interests?
I'll tell you what is wrong with that. We got thousands of our own people killed or injured, we killed thousands, we injured even more, we did billions in damage to a struggling civilian infrastructure, we shredded what little international good will we had, and we cost our economy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of needless debt prosecuting the war and occupying and rebuilding damage we caused. And all for what? Our own people told Bush there were no WMD's (and were proven right), told Bush Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 (and were proven right) and told Bush Iraq was not a military threat to the U.S. or any other nation in the region due to the losses inflicted upon them during the first gulf war and the follow on sanctions...and they were right. What we did was set off a years long insurgency that ended up claiming yet thousands more lives.

That is what is wrong with how we acted in our own interests.

That is because it is a war, we didn't ask for this, but we will not shirk from it either.
We absolutely asked for Iraq, we created the hype needed in order to invade. That's how bad we asked for it. Afghanistan, we didn't ask for, and it needed to be done.
 
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Is it true you can see John Kerry, Dick Turbin, and Murtha in the crowd, introduced as "Our American Brothers" and were excitedly chanting and holding signs?

Dude...what is wrong with you? :roll:
 
Lets read between the lines of what your saying here your pretty much saying "democracy is ok for us but those stupid Arabs like having no say in the governments".

People use to make similar arguements about slavery "us white people like freedom it doesent mean black people do"

The same crap has been brought up about democracy people use to say democracy couldnt work in non-white countries.

They said it couldnt work in Japan, India, south america,africa.

As you may have noticed Iraqis do seem to have a taste for democracy hense them risking their lives to go vote.

It's not our job to determine when and how a nation will embrace democracy. It's their job. We can certainly support them, but direct, large scale military intervention is almost never a good idea. The people of the nation must work for it in order for it to take hold and last.

And in a theologically influenced region such as the middle east, what we see as democracy might be a somewhat uncomfortable fit for many Muslims. It's their choice. They may only embrace certain tenets. We have no business accelerating the process for them unless a specific nation poses a direct threat to us.
 
That's been a cornerstone of our foreign policy for decades. Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok. So let's help out countries trying to become democracies. We don't even seem to care anymore if they are capitalist. Just as long as they are democratic.

So explain what you mean by helping them out.
 
I am not the biggest fan of Saudi Arabia but US has no right demanding they take responsibility for 13 crazy people on a plane knocking down a building

Actually, since Saudi money funded then training of those 13 individuals the US has every right to hold Saudi Arabia responsible.
 
Actually, since Saudi money funded then training of those 13 individuals the US has every right to hold Saudi Arabia responsible.

Here's the problem with that logic though. If some crazy ex-U.S. military personnel do something without the government's knowledge, should the U.S. government be held accountable for their actions if they do something?
 
Actually, since Saudi money funded then training of those 13 individuals the US has every right to hold Saudi Arabia responsible.
So if American money is used to fund terrorism, it's America's fault? That's horrendous logic.
 
British Muslims condemn protests against Royal Anglian -Times Online

Muslims in Britain have condemned the protests by extremists against the Royal Anglian that marred their parade in Luton after their return from Iraq.

Some evangelical clergy also called for renewed efforts to convert Muslims in Britain to Christianity as a means of stemming future extremism.

The Muslim Council of Britain said they were "appalled". Secretary General Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said: "Whilst we understand the deeply held and widespread opposition to the disastrous war in Iraq, the Muslim Council of Britain condemns any form of protest where individuals are harmed or threatened.

"The 'protestors' did not speak for the majority of people who opposed that war. British soldiers are simply carrying out orders on behalf of the government of the day. They have endured and sacrificed much, and we are glad they are back home."

British Muslims for Secular Democracy voiced similar concerns and said they were "deeply shocked". Dr Shaaz Mahboob said: "A large section of the British public, a majority of who are non-Muslim, is against the war in Iraq and continue to express their opposition to this aspect of the Blair government’s foreign policy

"However, instead of registering their protest with the government who are overall responsible for sending these troops to war, the Muslim protestors’ decision to direct their anger towards the soldiers, branding them terrorists and butchers, further illustrates the blind hatred held by extremist Muslims against British institutions which the British public is proud of."

Evangelical minister Dr Alan Clifford of Norwich Reformed Church sent a letter to the police today calling for action against the protestor and urging Christians to try harder to convert Muslims. "The case for the pure, life-transforming faith of biblical Christianity must be courageously made," he said.

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Well said!
 
So explain what you mean by helping them out.

Something like 98% of the countries in this world now describe themselves as democratic. Obviously it is the consensus that this is best. Obviously it was a fight to get this far.
 
Something like 98% of the countries in this world now describe themselves as democratic. Obviously it is the consensus that this is best. Obviously it was a fight to get this far.

That didn't answer my question. How would you propose helping them out?
 
Something like 98% of the countries in this world now describe themselves as democratic. Obviously it is the consensus that this is best. Obviously it was a fight to get this far.

Islam hates freedom and the democratic process .. what do you expect?

The UK let in all those 7th century throwbacks ... now they are paying the price.
 
That didn't answer my question. How would you propose helping them out?

Help them slit the throat of their ruthless dictators. These are scary times and nothing is more important than seeing to it that a madman doesn't get hold of nuclear weapon that could kill millions in an afternoon.
 
Islam hates freedom and the democratic process .. what do you expect?

The UK let in all those 7th century throwbacks ... now they are paying the price.

Like the Protestants in the Six Counties and many not-particularly-political people everywhere, some young and not-very-knowledgeable Muslims react to war crimes by striking foolishly at the community that seems to support them or, in this case, the troops who carried out the attack. Clearly the criminals were Blair and his government: the military commanders took legal advice, and in the light of that the soldiers did their duty, so it is foolish and wrong to blame them. What bothers me is why returning troops have taken to holding triumphal marches through local communities. Given the nature of the war they have been involved in, which few outside the extreme right ever supported, it seems strangely provocative, and I wonder who ordered it. The inevitable demo - like the inevitable reactions to zionist murders - are inevitably used by nazi types as fuel for their obscurantist hate-stirring, as above, so I begin to wonder if they are beginning to increase their influence in the British Establishment.
 
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The UK let in all those 7th century throwbacks ... now they are paying the price.

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We'll manage with these throwbacks; no need to worry your pretty little head about it.
 
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We'll manage with these throwbacks; no need to worry your pretty little head about it.

Mosques in Britian all need a police shakedown, and so do Churches. Some mosques do extremist teaching and training behind the scenes and help aid terrorists, while most Church's are whore houses for little kids.

Back to the point, theres nothing you can do about these muslim protestors. There wrong, and disguting, and clearly blinded by the muslim propaganda of we are the crusaders. The government should just leave it up to us to put there names in shame, and not dealing with it themselves. Banning demonstrations is not the way to go about it in a nation with a democracy. The fact it was suggested is insulting.
 
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We'll manage with these throwbacks; no need to worry your pretty little head about it.

I would perfer if police officers would do it, i don't trust islam sympathisers to do the job.

Hell, they already have the billy clubs.
 
Mosques in Britian all need a police shakedown, and so do Churches. Some mosques do extremist teaching and training behind the scenes and help aid terrorists, while most Church's are whore houses for little kids.

Banning demonstrations is not the way to go about it in a nation with a democracy. The fact it was suggested is insulting.

Agreed on both points.
I'd rather UK takes it a step further and within a codified constitution ensures a seperation between church and state
 
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