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Report: Slain US Nazi hated Obama, had parts for 'dirty bomb'

winston53660 said:
I'm not to worried about the Log Cabin Republicans. They are more worried about their Macy's credit limit:2razz:
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I'm not a log cabin republican; I worry about my Guess credit limit.:2wave:
 
RightinNYC said:
And I know people who believe in direct anti-war actions and have advocated for violence as well (even at our beloved alma mater). Doesn't make them worse than Bin Laden.
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With the popularity of the vitriol coming from the right wing pundits I can see a militant right wing nut going nuts. I can not recall a left wing nut going nuts since the Nixon admin.

I forgot you went to NYU I had some pretty extreme profs there too but none advocated making a bomb and blowing **** up.
 
What makes everyone think, that he was going to use it in the U.S.
 
winston53660 said:
With the popularity of the vitriol coming from the right wing pundits I can see a militant right wing nut going nuts. I can not recall a left wing nut going nuts since the Nixon admin.
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I forgot you went to NYU I had some pretty extreme profs there too but none advocated making a bomb and blowing **** up.
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None of the profs specifically, though Bertell Ollman is pretty close. I was more thinking of the students, especially those behind things like the Great Kimmel Takeover of 2009.
 
RightinNYC said:
Of course, just like there's a "militant faction" to every political ideology. See, ELF, Malcolm X, etc.

The point is that it's absolutely asinine to say that "the greater danger, at this time, lies within our own borders" because one dude in Maine talked a lot of **** while beating his wife and supposedly mixed some chemicals in his sink.

Nazi douchebag<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Al Qaida/North Korea/Hamas/etc.
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He didn't just talk about it. He was DOING it.
 
ArchEnemy posted (Without a doubt. I was just living my life as I should... its the damn jooish government and their damn incompetence and the damn impoverished.)

I find it hard to believe that this poster is anything other than an extremist when he posts sentiments such as the above?
 
What are you talking about JuJu :confused:
 
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danarhea said:
A Nazi sympathizer gets into a fight with his wife. His wife shoots and kills him. The police arrive, and guess what they find? Parts to put together a radioactive dirty bomb, along with bottles containing uranium-238 and thorium-232. Moreover, he had been purchasing the radioactive material for his bomb from an AMERICAN company. He began his purchases right after Barack Obama was elected president. Manuals detailing how to construct dirty bombs were also found at his home. This man essentially was a wealthy Timothy McVeigh. This story has seen very little coverage by the mainstream media. A few years ago, in East Texas, some KKK members were busted with a chemical weapon, which had been completed. That was hardly reported at all by the mainstream media either.

Now we can question all day Iran's intentions, and arguments can be made on both sides until hell freezes over, but this guy was one of our own, and was not only planning a terrorist act with nuclear materials, but was well underway to making it happen. If not for a pissed off wife who killed him, we might very well be seeing the results of his planning on the news channels.

America has its jihadists too. They just call themselves by a different name, but they are the same thing. While our leaders are telling us about the dangers of another 911 from overseas, they had better pay attention to what's in our own back yard. The greater danger, at this time, lies within our own borders.

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What are the differences between Nazi "Jihadists" and Islamic Jihadists, Dan?
 
danarhea said:
He didn't just talk about it. He was DOING it.
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Plz compare what he "did" to what any external terrorist group has "done" and explain to me why his actions are more serious.
 
RightinNYC said:
Plz compare what he "did" to what any external terrorist group has "done" and explain to me why his actions are more serious.
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Because, if his wife had not shot and killed him, the police would not have found his stuff, and he would have set it off. As far as foreign terrorists go, we have not been attacked since 911. However, since 911, we have this dufus, plus we have the KKK'ers in East Texas who had a sodium cyanide bomb ready to go in 2002. Good thing they got caught.
 
danarhea said:
Because, if his wife had not shot and killed him, the police would not have found his stuff, and he would have set it off. As far as foreign terrorists go, we have not been attacked since 911. However, since 911, we have this dufus, plus we have the KKK'ers in East Texas who had a sodium cyanide bomb ready to go in 2002. Good thing they got caught.
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OK, so your argument is that they are more dangerous because...they got caught before they could do what they intended to do? :confused:
 
danarhea said:
Because, if his wife had not shot and killed him, the police would not have found his stuff, and he would have set it off.
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And you're basing this conclusion on....?
 
What was he planning on doing with the thorium 232?

That is only dangerous if ingested. What's he planning on doing, putting thorium powder into the White House menu items?

Oooh a dirty bomb made of thorium 232! I'm so scared. Well, not of radiation. I'd be more worried about its explosive capacity when it oxidizes rather than anything else.
 
obvious Child said:
What was he planning on doing with the thorium 232?

That is only dangerous if ingested. What's he planning on doing, putting thorium powder into the White House menu items?

Oooh a dirty bomb made of thorium 232! I'm so scared. Well, not of radiation. I'd be more worried about its explosive capacity when it oxidizes rather than anything else.
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I'd wager he had no idea what the **** he was doing. The dude was mixing chemicals in his frigging sink, playing badass.
 
Am I the only one paying attention to the fact that he acquired these materials domestically? So much for Homeland Security.
 
danarhea said:
A Nazi sympathizer gets into a fight with his wife. His wife shoots and kills him. The police arrive, and guess what they find? Parts to put together a radioactive dirty bomb, along with bottles containing uranium-238 and thorium-232. Moreover, he had been purchasing the radioactive material for his bomb from an AMERICAN company. He began his purchases right after Barack Obama was elected president. Manuals detailing how to construct dirty bombs were also found at his home. This man essentially was a wealthy Timothy McVeigh. This story has seen very little coverage by the mainstream media. A few years ago, in East Texas, some KKK members were busted with a chemical weapon, which had been completed. That was hardly reported at all by the mainstream media either.

Now we can question all day Iran's intentions, and arguments can be made on both sides until hell freezes over, but this guy was one of our own, and was not only planning a terrorist act with nuclear materials, but was well underway to making it happen. If not for a pissed off wife who killed him, we might very well be seeing the results of his planning on the news channels.

America has its jihadists too. They just call themselves by a different name, but they are the same thing. While our leaders are telling us about the dangers of another 911 from overseas, they had better pay attention to what's in our own back yard. The greater danger, at this time, lies within our own borders.

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We have one or two. Iran has a hole brigade of them. They are called the "Quds Force".

There is no comparison here. Iran's actions are still far more troubling.
 
Orius said:
Am I the only one paying attention to the fact that he acquired these materials domestically? So much for Homeland Security.
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Good point.

The fact that a civilian got his hands on not one but TWO radioactive isotopes is SHOCKING to say the least.
 
Orius said:
Am I the only one paying attention to the fact that he acquired these materials domestically? So much for Homeland Security.
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Having read a couple years ago about the amount and availabilty of isotopes in this world is sufficient to amke build a shelter. The Russian mafiais the greatest offender as far as I know. They will sell it to anyone.
 
obvious Child said:
What was he planning on doing with the thorium 232?

That is only dangerous if ingested. What's he planning on doing, putting thorium powder into the White House menu items?

Oooh a dirty bomb made of thorium 232! I'm so scared. Well, not of radiation. I'd be more worried about its explosive capacity when it oxidizes rather than anything else.
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What explosive capacity?

And no, you are incorrect, Inhalation is and equal concern for its toxicity. Ingestion as well, but it is indeed dangerous if inhaled.


When it oxidizes it simply turns black.
 
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Here is my take. The guy was dangerous because he was definitely trying to make a dirty bomb. I really have no idea about the level of his technical knowledge or whether or not he could pull it off. There just isn't enough solid information on this guy or his motives, only that his wife is a decent shot. However it should be a wake up call to law enforcement. We talked about domestic terrorism a lot at the state and local level but it just wasn't treated as serious as it should be. The point here is that it only takes one, and we should be vigilant. The issue here is that domestic terrorists aren't simply very active, and rarely do they actually carry out acts of violence as compared to foreign terrorists.

While I'm obviously concerned about domestic terrorism, I don't lay awake at night over it. I am however working with local and state law enforcement to dramatically improve their intelligence and information sharing at all levels, which will go a long way towards keeping up on domestic threats.

In the end, Karma won.
 
Vader said:
We have one or two. Iran has a hole brigade of them. They are called the "Quds Force".

There is no comparison here. Iran's actions are still far more troubling.
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Agreed, and the fact that we now have an administration in place showing more in the form of weakness instead of steadfast resistance to this program moving forward in Iran is troubling.


j-mac
 
Lerxst said:
Here is my take. The guy was dangerous because he was definitely trying to make a dirty bomb. I really have no idea about the level of his technical knowledge or whether or not he could pull it off. There just isn't enough solid information on this guy or his motives, only that his wife is a decent shot. However it should be a wake up call to law enforcement. We talked about domestic terrorism a lot at the state and local level but it just wasn't treated as serious as it should be. The point here is that it only takes one, and we should be vigilant. The issue here is that domestic terrorists aren't simply very active, and rarely do they actually carry out acts of violence as compared to foreign terrorists.

While I'm obviously concerned about domestic terrorism, I don't lay awake at night over it. I am however working with local and state law enforcement to dramatically improve their intelligence and information sharing at all levels, which will go a long way towards keeping up on domestic threats.

In the end, Karma won.
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You make very good points. Fact is domestic terrorism is rare. Which makes being "vigilant" all that much harder. Intelligence gathering and information sharing are assuredly one of the most important aspects for this topic and numerous other law enforcement and homeland security issues.
 
Orius said:
Am I the only one paying attention to the fact that he acquired these materials domestically? So much for Homeland Security.
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I'm not that concerned for several reasons.

1) We don't actually know that happened. The only facts here are a raw story link and a whole bunch of "unnamed sources" that say the guy had jars "labeled uranium" and that he supposedly purchased them from an American company.

2) Even if true, this isn't that shocking. You can buy tiny amounts of radioactive material from all sorts of places. Uranium Ore Nothing illegal or particularly terrifying about that.

3) With the level of weapons knowledge that any individual or small group has, uranium is an incredibly ineffective weapon. It's only really dangerous in the hands of state actors or groups with similar levels of resources.
 
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