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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    at what would happen if the Good Reverend started a thread like this, eh CC? (I tease I tease)




    James Monroe was the first to use them. Bush I, Clinton, Reagan used them as well...


    I do find it odd that Obama was against them, but will still use them..... Is this another "change" to his promises?
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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    So in effect, Obama is simply a President like any other in recent history. At his core, he's a politician. What he says and what he does may end up being different things.

    If he actually reduces the number of times he uses them as opposed to Bush, that is a change. A change in frequency of use.

    Big deal?
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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So in effect, Obama is simply a President like any other in recent history. At his core, he's a politician. What he says and what he does may end up being different things.

    If he actually reduces the number of times he uses them as opposed to Bush, that is a change. A change in frequency of use.

    Big deal?



    I don't think signing statments are a big deal at all actually. I do however see a pattern of lies by the Obama administration as a disturbing trend.


    This excuse making of "but everyone is doing it" is not an excuse. If I am speeding, and 5 others are as well, will I get out of a ticket by saying "Well I was going with the flow of traffic"?


    I don't think so. Why do we not hold all of our politicians, right and left to the same standard?
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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So in effect, Obama is simply a President like any other in recent history. At his core, he's a politician. What he says and what he does may end up being different things.

    If he actually reduces the number of times he uses them as opposed to Bush, that is a change. A change in frequency of use.

    Big deal?
    Aside from the fact that his most constant and routine campaign message was that he was a "Change" from politics as usual?

    No, not at all.

    Just that he basically pulled the wool over a vast amount of Democrats eyes who kept telling us how much of a "Change" he was going to be from politics as usual and Bush's tactics as a politician.

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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So in effect, Obama is simply a President like any other in recent history. At his core, he's a politician. What he says and what he does may end up being different things.

    If he actually reduces the number of times he uses them as opposed to Bush, that is a change. A change in frequency of use.

    Big deal?
    Call me naive, but I like consistency. If a politician rips into someone for doing something and then turns around and does the same thing, they should be called out on it. Same applies to posters.
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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Aside from the fact that his most constant and routine campaign message was that he was a "Change" from politics as usual?

    No, not at all.

    Just that he basically pulled the wool over a vast amount of Democrats eyes who kept telling us how much of a "Change" he was going to be from politics as usual and Bush's tactics as a politician.
    What can I say, he's a politician. I don't like it, but you know what...show me one President in recent history that has actually done everything they said they would do?

    I suppose I am a bit jaded, but then again I never fully expected him to do some of the things he promised. I supported him because of his position on certain issues. One of which restoring support to state and local law enforcement, which he is absolutely doing.

    It's a mixed bag with politicians. This is never going to change. There is no "ONE." The Obama campaign team did like any other succesful Presidential campaign team has done...they developed a strategy and got their man elected. But I suppose if we're not going to gripe about what they do why be here right?
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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Call me naive, but I like consistency. If a politician rips into someone for doing something and then turns around and does the same thing, they should be called out on it. Same applies to posters.
    So you don't like them saying one thing and doing another. I get it. I don't think anybody does. Show me a President in recent history who hasn't done this. I'm not excusing it, I suppose I'm asking what did you really expect?
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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What can I say, he's a politician. I don't like it, but you know what...show me one President in recent history that has actually done everything they said they would do?
    In your mind, does this excuse Bush of all his failings?

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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In your mind, does this excuse Bush of all his failings?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst
    I'm not excusing it, I suppose I'm asking what did you really expect?
    There you go.

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    Re: Obama to limit signing statements on bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So you don't like them saying one thing and doing another. I get it. I don't think anybody does. Show me a President in recent history who hasn't done this. I'm not excusing it, I suppose I'm asking what did you really expect?
    If everyone shared that attitude, I suspect they'd do it a lot more often. If everyone called them out on it, I suspect they'd do it a lot less often.

    The fact is, there are many examples in recent history of ways in which vigilant constituents can force politicians to abide by their promises. Many groups have managed to get politicians to promise not to do things, such as raise taxes, which the politicians are incredibly scared to break. Just look at the most recent CA budget situation where Republicans refused to agree to raise taxes because they knew they would catch hell for it.
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