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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Kim Jong Ill and his buddies need to die mysteriously.... CIA style.
    You mean horribly bungle the assassination after outsourcing to the Mafia? The CIA sucks at assassinations. Look at Castro.

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Not true. They have enough Artillery near the border to devastate Seoul. Civilian casualties would range from the thousands to tens of thousands. Furthermore, they would probably fire whatever kind of WMDs they have at Japan. Any attack on NK will come at the high cost of innocent lives.
    They also have chemical weapons and perhaps a nuke or two.

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That would involve shooting a missile at U.S. soil. I doubt they could actually do it, and it would be an act of war. I doubt even the crazies in charge would be so moronic.
    The National Defense System is supposed to shoot down missiles that are in international waters.

    If it can't it proves how ineffective it really is.

    I don't think NK is as dumb as you think they are.

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Not true. They have enough Artillery near the border to devastate Seoul. Civilian casualties would range from the thousands to tens of thousands. Furthermore, they would probably fire whatever kind of WMDs they have at Japan. Any attack on NK will come at the high cost of innocent lives.
    I disagree. The first few minutes of artillery and North Korea would be scattered into thousands of pieces.
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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    I say just go to war with the DPRK. Everyone knows that South Korea, with the help of the US and Japan would annihilate the DPRK.

    That way, we can get rid of the DPRK and reunite the Korean peninsula under a capitalist regime faster.

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by George VI View Post
    Everyone knows that South Korea, with the help of the US and Japan would annihilate the DPRK.
    The problem like you an many don't recognize, that even though NK would lose their artillery would kill MILLIONS.

    It's nice to be in another country and not care about casualties when your people aren't taking them, but the realities for South Koreans is much different.

    A war between NK and SK would result in a SK victory but millions at the most and hundreds of thousands at the least would pay the price.

    Easy to say when your countries civilians don't have to pay the price eh?

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    c.
    The National Defense System is supposed to shoot down missiles that are in international waters.
    No it is not. It is intended to protect U.S. soil, as well as other strategic areas. Currently, we only have the claimed ability to intercept missiles past their boost phase on a trajectory toward the U.S. itself. That cannot be tested unless NK puts a missile into our airspace, which is an act of war.

    If it can't it proves how ineffective it really is.
    Although I have serious doubts about our ability to intercept missiles, that is an unfair criticism. Protecting international waters was never a goal of the program, and is pretty much irrelevant.

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    I disagree. The first few minutes of artillery and North Korea would be scattered into thousands of pieces.
    Not true. NK has around 5 to 6 thousand artillery pieces capable of hitting Seoul. They are dug in, with many pieces concealed in caves or other fortifications. If NK decides to focus that much firepower on Seoul, thousands will die in the best case scenario. The only hope for avoiding such a situation is to hope that they focus on military targets on the border, not civilian ones in the city.

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    c.

    No it is not. It is intended to protect U.S. soil, as well as other strategic areas. Currently, we only have the claimed ability to intercept missiles past their boost phase on a trajectory toward the U.S. itself. That cannot be tested unless NK puts a missile into our airspace, which is an act of war.
    I'm of the understanding that the US is prepared to shoot down the missile if there is an indication that it is not a satellite. This can likely be gauged by the projected trajectory of the missile, which means it could be shot down by an Aegis class destroyer and an SM-3. Japan has offered to send an Aegis class destroyer to the area and perform the intercept, should it be necessary.

    Edit: I'd like to add that the idea that North Korea would try to "test" the Us's ability to shoot down missile by launching a missile at the US is completely irrational. With a regime as collectively insane as that of NK, I wouldn't put it past them, but I seriously doubt they would ever be that stupid. It certainly would not be in their best interest.

    Although I have serious doubts about our ability to intercept missiles, that is an unfair criticism. Protecting international waters was never a goal of the program, and is pretty much irrelevant.
    The US's ability to shoot down missiles is not in much doubt. These are well tested systems. The idea is EXACTLY to shoot down the missiles before they're over US territory (whether in international airspace or not). Aegis is designed to shoot them down during the boost phase, while GBI is designed to shoot them down in space (mid-course).

    Not true. NK has around 5 to 6 thousand artillery pieces capable of hitting Seoul. They are dug in, with many pieces concealed in caves or other fortifications. If NK decides to focus that much firepower on Seoul, thousands will die in the best case scenario. The only hope for avoiding such a situation is to hope that they focus on military targets on the border, not civilian ones in the city.
    They'd have to focus on military targets. Otherwise, they wont be providing fire support for their infantry. Attacking population centers makes good sabre rattling to inspire fear, but in practice the only thing they'd accomplish would be further enraging the international community.

    Anyone have any comments on my first post on page 1?
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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElephantPhil View Post
    Hmm, apparently they normally do satellite tests, but this is the first time they've put forth a warning like this.

    What do you guys think?
    I think its a good thing GWB didnt listen to the loons and, instead, continued on with the NMD.

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    Re: North Korea threatens war if Satellite is shot down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    They wouldn't dare attack another Nation-state. They don't have enough food stuffs to survive any sort of siege, and their offensive power is the equivalent of the North Carolina's boy scout association.
    That's not the danger.

    Go to Google Maps, go look up the distance Seoul is from the border. Last time I checked, and granted it's been a while, but I doubt the numbers have changed much, but NK had somewhere on the order of 50,000 rocket and artillery tubes pointed at Seoul.

    That's been the great fear, I've seen the causality estimates. There are 19,000,000 people living in and around Seoul. Should hostilities break out NK's battle plan is to unleash hell on earth on the city with estimates anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of the civilian population killed or wounded in less then 30 minutes of the first round being fired.

    And that's if the conflict starts and remains conventional, something that's been debated. NK does have Chemical weapons pointed at Seoul, and the thinking is that they'll go all out in hopes of forcing SK into surrender before America can react, thus they'll just hit the city with everything.

    Chemical on the outskirts of the city and conventional on the city itself. That brings the casualty rate to over 60% in the first 12 hours of fighting, and that's the low end.

    No one wants to go down in history as the leadership that killed 19 million people.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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