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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    I think you guys are thinking to into this military naval stuff, have you guys not remembered we liberated China from Japan?

    Seriously, I doubt they would forget that quickly how we saved there behinds, if you don't know what happen here is a short comic explaining.
    America was fighting proxy wars in China before WWII, by giving the KMT tanks and other foreign technology to fight the rise of Communism. Fueling that war contributed to the deaths of millions. Furthermore, the U.S. was part of the imperial ransacking of China pre-WWI, along with the unequal treaty system (see: Treaty of Wangxia).

    Furthermore, it is an exaggeration to say that the U.S. was trying to save China. It was simply trying to end the Pacfic conquest of Japan that threatened its shores. Japan's forces being weakened and therefore pulling out of China as a result was just a benficial byproduct of Japan's multi-front war.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Ups seems the ship was an experimental sub hunter ship, operation in disputed waters..

    Officials: US ship in China spat was hunting subs

    Seems that China does have something to be pissed over.....
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Absolutely, a simple change in U.S. trade law banning Chinese goods from any reason ranging from safety(great case could be made there) to "we just felt like it" could crush the budding Chinese manufacturing economy.
    Where else are you going to purchase the "cheap tacky" goods for your Disney parks?

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    America was fighting proxy wars in China before WWII, by giving the KMT tanks and other foreign technology to fight the rise of Communism. Fueling that war contributed to the deaths of millions. Furthermore, the U.S. was part of the imperial ransacking of China pre-WWI, along with the unequal treaty system (see: Treaty of Wangxia).

    Furthermore, it is an exaggeration to say that the U.S. was trying to save China. It was simply trying to end the Pacfic conquest of Japan that threatened its shores. Japan's forces being weakened and therefore pulling out of China as a result was just a benficial byproduct of Japan's multi-front war.
    If your going to play like that you could say on the European front that USA and USSR did not save Frqnce from Germany.

    As. for those proxy wars, I always thought those were just rumors, a source for you claims would be nice.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    If your going to play like that you could say on the European front that USA and USSR did not save Frqnce from Germany.
    Unlike with France, the U.S. never touched Chinese soil, so to claim that the U.S. was directly trying to save China is false. It's war was with Japan and by default this took pressure off of China.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    As. for those proxy wars, I always thought those were just rumors, a source for you claims would be nice.
    Any book on modern Chinese history will furnish you with the common details of how the U.S. invested in the KMT in order to assure that China became a democratic power. They did so with money and technology. It was also during this period that China's capital was moved to Nanjing, where the Japanese later invaded. (Also known as the Rape of Nanjing).

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Unlike with France, the U.S. never touched Chinese soil, so to claim that the U.S. was directly trying to save China is false.
    There was a LOT of direct US support for China, before and during the war. Many a US pilot los his life flying supplies over the Hump, and the first B29 raids came from bases in China.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There was a LOT of direct US support for China, before and during the war. Many a US pilot los his life flying supplies over the Hump, and the first B29 raids came from bases in China.
    Theoretically, yes. The problem is distinguishing between what support was meant to fight the internal civil war against the Communist forces, and what support was being allocated to anti-Japanese activities. During the KMT era and prior to WWII, the U.S. was mainly interested in China for the sake of fighting Communism. It wasn't until WWII that the cause became two-fold.

    I still disagree that the U.S. fought Japan to save China. The U.S. was never at war with Japan until 1939, but the Japanese were already invading China through small conflicts in 1931, taking territory one piece at a time. It was even at full scale war with China in 1937 (the Second Sino-Japanese War). In 1937, Shanghai was burning. Where was the U.S.? Nowhere to be found.

    If the U.S. really wanted to "save" China it would have done something much earlier on about the situation.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    This will go down as the Battle of the South China Sea, circa 2009. The battle went as follows:

    1) Chinese ships harass American ship.

    2) American ship uses firehoses to spray Chinese ships.

    3) Chinese crews retaliate by stripping down to their underwear.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Theoretically, yes. The problem is distinguishing between what support was meant to fight the internal civil war against the Communist forces, and what support was being allocated to anti-Japanese activities.
    Chaing sure had a lot of US-supplied militatry hardware...

    I still disagree that the U.S. fought Japan to save China. The U.S. was never at war with Japan until 1939,
    1941. The US fought the japanese to save herself. The US supported her allies -- the UK, the Aussies, NZ, China -- so that they too might save themselves.

    The US was directly involved in helping Chona fight the Japanese before Pearl Harbor, both militarily and through diplomacy - the US cut off Japanese oil and steel as a direct result of Japan's actions in China.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ups seems the ship was an experimental sub hunter ship, operation in disputed waters..

    Officials: US ship in China spat was hunting subs

    Seems that China does have something to be pissed over.....
    Seems like the Chinese are a bunch of whiny brats. That vessel was operating in international waters and therefore was legally clear to do whatever she was ordered to do by her commanders.

    The Chinese had absolutely no legal authority to interfere. It could have been a aircraft carrier task force with a hundred nuclear weapons on board, and the Chinese would have been obligated to leave it alone.

    I'm really impressed at the courageous actions of the chinese, ganging up on an unarmed vessel in the open ocean like that.

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