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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I'd been wondering what possible reason China could have for its actions. Here's their excuse explanation

    Source [Reuters | China says US navy ship was breaking law-HK website]



    Anybody know what laws performing surveilance in international waters violates?
    It violates no laws. The EEZ is NOT sovereign Chinese waters. Of course, China DOES claim the South China Sea in its entirety as its internal waters, but this is NOT recognized by anyone else.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Absolutely, a simple change in U.S. trade law banning Chinese goods from any reason ranging from safety(great case could be made there) to "we just felt like it" could crush the budding Chinese manufacturing economy.
    Only problem is our mutual WTO obligations.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    VOIDWAR posted(In the same vein, we should have sunk Iran's Navy when they grabbed up those british Sailors.)

    I see that you continue to follow just the headlines.

    A great pity, because had you bothered to follow up with this story you might have read where the British Government admitted that they posted an incorrect GPS reading of where the British craft was.
    In fact it transpired that they WERE actually within Iranian waters when they were apprehended.
    The wiki disagrees that the waters are actually defined.

    The captain of the HMS Cornwall should not have allowed female sailors under his command to be "apprehended" in ANY case. The Iranians should have been warned away from the inflatable with one live round, and SUNK if they continued to approach the deployed boarding team. The Captain of the Cornwall left his personnel undefended and failed them. Why would anyone ever deploy in an inflatable again with this pussy driving the Cornwall as your back-up ???

    Waters or not, they don't sieze my personnel, ever. If my daughter was on that dinghy, and given to Iranians without a fight, me and the Captain of the Cornwall would have a long talk in a dark alley when he got back home.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Gee....it took the ChiComs three months to begin air piracy against the US when Bush was president. They must realize that Obama is a total wimp and they're not wasting any time breaking the newbie in.

    They were deliberately trying to provoke a collision in the hopes that one of their crew would die, so they could then make claims about US agression against the Peaceful Idiots of China in Chinese national waters.

    Don't say they wouldn't. They claimed their attack on our EP-3 was in chinese airspace (it wasn't) and that we caused the collision that killed their moron (we didn't - when boobs that don't understand aerodynamics fly too close under a lifting wing, they don't expect a wing in the face, but they wrecked the wing's lift, and it smacked him hard, cuz that's what happens when you're stupid and do stupid things.)

    Obama will whine and cry....and the Chinese will continue to harass US ships because we've got another ball-less president now.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    I disagree with this "honoring".

    I am not happy with that pilot.

    That pilot delivered that plane and those personnel into enemy hands when he should have just ditched into the sea, you know, that big blue thing beneath him that the U.S. Navy OWNS. He took directives from a foreign government, and delivered U.S. property to them. He should have put the plane in the drink, where any idiot know the U.S. navy will win the rescue race.
    Nope. We weren't at war.

    His responsibility was the safety of his crew. And it's a god damned humongous ocean and people are really tiny itty bitty things. They probably would have all died in the water.

    I doubt if the crew left much if anything useful intact in that airplane. Like you didn't say, it's a deep ocean down there.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Voidwar is right though...we should have locked down every Chinese vessel in our ports the minute they took that aggressive stance with the plane. "Sure, China, you can have that plane. But all these vessels and the goods they were carrying now belong to the US government. We advise you to not enter our airspace or shipping lanes again."
    What we should have done is waited for the ambassador to see that all US crew were off the airplane and call us that the coast is clear.

    A couple of Tomahawks would have ended the Chinese interest in that airplane real fast...especially if one missed and landed in whatever building in Beijing houses the current emperor....er dictator for life, I mean.

    However, that would have required a president with balls, and Bush, being a liberal, didn't have any.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Yeah, because pointless crap like that is worth completely obliterating our economy over.



    And the Chinese response is "Thats fine. Now pay up all the debt that you owe us". Then our economy sinks likes a child actors career after puberty.
    Nah...we just say...."you bought yourself an airplane. Enjoy."

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.



    Worse than what Obama's doing to it?

    Not possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.
    Great idea.

    First Step: China stops it's acts of air and sea piracy.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Imagine this same scenario but on the U.S. coast, and with a Chinese ship. Even if it were just outside of the U.S. boundary, it would be considered noticable.
    And at the most, a Coast Guard cutter or Navy destroyer would have been assigned to monitor them at a prudent distance for as long they were in some area causing us concern. They can lurk outside our coastal waters for as long as they want without repurcussions.

    That's why the Chinese had to falsely claim the vessel was in a special economic zone, just like they had to falsely claim our EP-3 was in Chinese airspace when it clearly was not before they attacked it.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    I think you guys are thinking to into this military naval stuff, have you guys not remembered we liberated China from Japan?

    Seriously, I doubt they would forget that quickly how we saved there behinds, if you don't know what happen here is a short comic explaining.


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