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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is pointless posturing. If you get all agitated over it, it makes you look a fool who can be lead around by the nose. Refusing to be baited by pathetic insults in a sign of intelligence, not weakness. Or do you respect the macho idiots who act all tough whenever their masculinity is threatened?

    The military should only be deployed for real threats, not for showmanship.
    I respect lines being drawn and having the expectation that crossing it will bring consequences. Ramming our planes and harassing our ships in open water is a threat that should be dealt with decisively.

    As much as you would like to deflect from the real issue with all this talk of machoism and other namby pamby bull**** in an attempt to insult my intelligence, the fact remains that China is testing its boundaries with us. Those boundaries need to be established as immovable.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Jallman has made a very good point here regarding China's realistic ability to tank our economy. They won't do it because 1.) we simply wouldn't pay, and 2.) it would tank their economy as well. Like it or not we have mutual interest in each others economies being stable. We aren't in the middle of a shaky and uncertain industrial revolution right now, they are. If they were to try and take our economy hostage they would be doing it with a hand grenade duct taped to their face.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Jallman has made a very good point here regarding China's realistic ability to tank our economy. They won't do it because 1.) we simply wouldn't pay, and 2.) it would tank their economy as well. Like it or not we have mutual interest in each others economies being stable. We aren't in the middle of an shaky and uncertain industrial revolution right now, they are. If they were to try and taker our economy hostage they would be doing it with a hand grenade duct taped to their face.
    Absolutely, a simple change in U.S. trade law banning Chinese goods from any reason ranging from safety(great case could be made there) to "we just felt like it" could crush the budding Chinese manufacturing economy.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Jallman has made a very good point here regarding China's realistic ability to tank our economy. They won't do it because 1.) we simply wouldn't pay, and 2.) it would tank their economy as well. Like it or not we have mutual interest in each others economies being stable. We aren't in the middle of an shaky and uncertain industrial revolution right now, they are. If they were to try and taker our economy hostage they would be doing it with a hand grenade duct taped to their face.
    And no one is going to cash bonds for 1/2 of what they are worth when they haven't matured. It's stupid. And the Chinese aren't stupid. Most of the time.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is just pointless posturing. The most practical thing to do is tell the Chinese to knock it off and just keep doing our usual activities.
    Just curious if that would be trading our dollars for their inferior junk so that they can accumulate enough wealth to continue buying up our debt?
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Yeah, because pointless crap like that is worth completely obliterating our economy over.



    And the Chinese response is "Thats fine. Now pay up all the debt that you owe us". Then our economy sinks likes a child actors career after puberty.

    Overreacting to posturing is stupid. The U.S. and China have absolutely nothing to gain by fighting each and everything to lose. Unless China does something that is actually a threat, taking drastic action is harmful to our country.
    Since we are not able to pay up the debt I assume people in the future would call the current president a liar for not telling the real reason we ended up starting WWIII.

    I do agree with your thoughts on posturing, but there still remains a need to show our strength and ability as a nation unless we desire to have any country with a little power (or lots of it like China) push us around and take total advantage of us like our legislators have for so long.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.



    What makes you think they can't? If we do something crazy and illegal like impounding Chinese shipping, you can be sure they will do something legal and practical like not continue buying our debt.The Chinese would suffer as well, but that is little comfort. Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.

    I have to think that continuing the current situation would be far worse long term than any of the changes offered here.

    Saying good bye to cheap imports and all the debt holding everything back would be just like how a corporation in chapter 11 just says oops sorry to it's debt holders without any remorse and then starts over without the negative effects of its poor decisions and actions of the past.

    Much as that may sound attractive lets not forget they do have more than economic weapons at their disposal, and also that with the recent actions of our greedy corporations and legislators we would only end up in trouble again in the future.

    Almost makes you wonder why the other countries of which the US is in debt to do not also take their turns testing and making fun of us.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable



    This man, Gao Xiqing,the general manager of CIC(Chinese Investment Corporation, which is quite possibly the biggest investor in the United States) just had a few words to say about America. Gao is most notably betting against the dollar.

    "Be nice to countries that lend you money."

    "We'd like to help you guys...if it's sustainable."

    “Be Nice to the Countries That Lend You Money” - The Atlantic (December 2008)

    This man worked at Nixon's Wall street law firm and is very well versed on American debt, he is the first person I would look to on this issue.

    I think the extent of China buying US treasury bonds is the same reason why Coca-cola owns large shares in McDonalds, it allows them to have a guaranteed source of income. Some might say, what allowed McDonalds to capitalize on there competitors was the partnership with coca-cola. Same can be said for America and China's association with each other, even though Gao is betting against the dollar, the reward more than outweighs the risk.

    If this alternative energy becomes a reality in the next 25 years, he says most notably that China will not need to buy any more bonds because that money won't be shipped to countries like Saudi Arabia anymore.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    VOIDWAR posted(In the same vein, we should have sunk Iran's Navy when they grabbed up those british Sailors.)

    I see that you continue to follow just the headlines.

    A great pity, because had you bothered to follow up with this story you might have read where the British Government admitted that they posted an incorrect GPS reading of where the British craft was.
    In fact it transpired that they WERE actually within Iranian waters when they were apprehended.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Instead of a fire hose, next time they should use a flame thrower.
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