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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Look it's not like they challenge a ship with a gun on it.
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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    I'd been wondering what possible reason China could have for its actions. Here's their excuse explanation

    Source [Reuters | China says US navy ship was breaking law-HK website]

    China said a U.S. naval vessel was conducting illegal surveying off its southern island of Hainan, a Hong Kong television website reported on Tuesday, after the Pentagon said Chinese ships had harassed the vessel in international waters.

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    "The U.S. claim about operating in high seas is out of step with the facts," the report quoted the spokesman as saying. "The U.S. navy vessel concerned has been consistently conducting illegal surveying in China's special economic zone," the station quoted the spokesman as saying.

    "China believes this contravenes international laws of the sea and China's relevant laws."

    Chinese authorities had "repeatedly used diplomatic channels to demand that the U.S. side cease unlawful activities in China's special economic zone", the report added.
    Anybody know what laws performing surveilance in international waters violates?

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Yeah, because pointless crap like that is worth completely obliterating our economy over.



    And the Chinese response is "Thats fine. Now pay up all the debt that you owe us". Then our economy sinks likes a child actors career after puberty.

    Overreacting to posturing is stupid. The U.S. and China have absolutely nothing to gain by fighting each and everything to lose. Unless China does something that is actually a threat, taking drastic action is harmful to our country.
    You people keep acting as if they can just up and demand payment as a form of extortion. They can't and it would hurt China a hell of a lot more than us if we stopped buying their cheap leaded plastic trinkets and stopped shipping out grain to them. Get real.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    I think the Chinese are just jealous

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I bet it is a traditional sign of "look at my small penis".
    Naturally they're saying they have a very small penis


    As a distraction technique....

    Oh my god. They're going to bomb the harbor!



    Um, yeah. That's just really weird. Though I agree, a few more cases of this and it may ramp up to armed escorts

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    You people keep acting as if they can just up and demand payment as a form of extortion.
    They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.

    They can't and it would hurt China a hell of a lot more than us if we stopped buying their cheap leaded plastic trinkets and stopped shipping out grain to them.
    What makes you think they can't? If we do something crazy and illegal like impounding Chinese shipping, you can be sure they will do something legal and practical like not continue buying our debt.The Chinese would suffer as well, but that is little comfort. Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    They could simply not buy our t-bills. Right now, that would crash our economy.



    What makes you think they can't? If we do something crazy and illegal like impounding Chinese shipping, you can be sure they will do something legal and practical like not continue buying our debt.The Chinese would suffer as well, but that is little comfort. Its better for us to work together, rather than both go down in flames.
    I'm sure they can stop buying the debt, but I am also sure they can't just up and demand payment at any time for what is already bought. It doesn't work that way.

    I think that if China is making aggressive moves like this, we shouldn't show any weakness in any arena, military or otherwise.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    I'm sure they can stop buying the debt, but I am also sure they can't just up and demand payment at any time for what is already bought. It doesn't work that way.
    You can cash a saving bonds any time you feel like, it is just another asset. Normally you don't have huge amounts cashed at one time, but it is possible. That doesn't also change the fact that merely not buying further t-bills would severely hurt us, considering the large amount of deficit spending for the last 8 years(which is getting worse as we speak). It may be mutually assured destruction, but China does have the capability to utterly ruin our economy if it really comes down it.

    I think that if China is making aggressive moves like this, we shouldn't show any weakness in any arena, military or otherwise.
    This is pointless posturing. If you get all agitated over it, it makes you look a fool who can be lead around by the nose. Refusing to be baited by pathetic insults in a sign of intelligence, not weakness. Or do you respect the macho idiots who act all tough whenever their masculinity is threatened?

    The military should only be deployed for real threats, not for showmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    -- In the same vein, we should have sunk Iran's Navy when they grabbed up those british Sailors.
    Disagree, the British Navy should have sunk Iran's Navy as soon as they grabbed our sailors. I'm still angry that we did nothing and then handed Iran a propaganda victory that day.

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    Re: Chinese Navy surround and harrass US Navy Ship Impeccable

    lol they stripped down to their underwear? I wonder if they did it just to flash the U.S. navy ship. It seems very unusual!

    Ahem... as for the matter at heart... I don't know much about international law as it pertains to the Southern China Sea, but if the ship had gone through the region more than once then I can understand why it would be considered a threat to China.

    Imagine this same scenario but on the U.S. coast, and with a Chinese ship. Even if it were just outside of the U.S. boundary, it would be considered noticable.

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