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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    why is it important. anyone can google socialism. and anyone can apply it to obama's policies.
    Yet Zimmer remains silent. If I called you a Commie(which I did) and you felt that it was not appropriate, you would ask me to explain why I called you that. Then imagine if I just blew you off and kept calling you a Commie.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This idiotic cry fest of bloviating "but you don't define socialism" is weak. I have defined it at least twice since this idiocy. yet it keeps happening.
    Because "socialism" is a concept that works for many perfectly democratic countries. It is only when you bring in visions of Stalin, Lenin, Marx, goosestepping soldiers, gulags, and Bolsheviks that you get some traction using socialism as a dirty word. You do it to suit your partisan ideology, but for most of the world, "socialism" is as benign a term as "democracy".

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Because "socialism" is a concept that works for many perfectly democratic countries. It is only when you bring in visions of Stalin, Lenin, Marx, goosestepping soldiers, gulags, and Bolsheviks that you get some traction using socialism as a dirty word. You do it to suit your partisan ideology, but for most of the world, "socialism" is as benign a term as "democracy".




    and you call yourself a "centrist"
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Yet Zimmer remains silent. If I called you a Commie(which I did) and you felt that it was not appropriate, you would ask me to explain why I called you that. Then imagine if I just blew you off and kept calling you a Commie.



    I recall zimmer said that he could use any definition he wanted. instead of honest discussion, we get days of baiting.



    and if you called me a commie, I would simply laugh, point out I am a capitalist, free market entrepreneur and about as anti-commie as anyone can be.

    Now if you support government control of more and more industries, and nationalization of 1/16 of the economy through healthcare, and talk of nationalizing banks, I would say you support socialist ideology, or call you a socialist for short.

    Then I would insist you call me "big money dolla" for the next two weeks.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    Now if you support government control of more and more industries, and nationalization of 1/16 of the economy through healthcare, and talk of nationalizing banks, I would say you support socialist ideology, or call you a socialist for short.
    So really, your entire position is to utter the word "socialist" with as much innuendo as possible. I guess that innoculates you from the responsibility of actually having to consider the benefits of national healthcare, or a national bank. Which, by the way, was advocated by Alexander Hamilton, another pinko socialist.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oblivous Child,

    Would have answered sooner but the place I was at wasn't civilized.

    This is beautiful.
    You can't call 99% of lib libs, and they can't identify socialism.
    Their guiding light.
    Grundstein.
    Home page.

    That's the mentality we have to battle with.
    People that play coy in their effort to bring Americans socialism.
    1) You've been reported for a rules violation one word into your reply.
    2) You reply doesn't address anything you quote. Instead of actually defining it you, use personal insults.

    Conservatives opposed TARP.
    So all of the Republicans who voted for TARP and the Republican administration who created it are liberals?

    I actually agree with that, but let's see how hyperpartisan you can get.

    Conservatives don't support the government choosing winners and losers.
    Well this depends how you define "Conservatives." Historical conservatives have indeed supported the government choosing winners and losers through industrial defense spending. Companies have risen and fallen on government contracts. Furthermore, Conservatives in Europe have supported fee in tariff systems which have chosen winners in renewable over oil. France's conservatives have long sponsored the choosing of nuclear power through government subsidiaries.

    YOU on the other hand love all government intervention.
    I'm not sure who's more partisan, you or TD. Now, if you could back that claim up, you wouldn't. But you can't, and you won't. I caught Vicco lying about the same thing. He refused to admit he was wrong.

    Yes, yes... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz... you folks would be stunned to learn war isn't a game of perfect.
    Perfect? A 5 year old with a slide ruler and the internet could have planned better.

    Perhaps you should tell me where Clausewitz was flawed in his analysis of war.
    He wasn't. Clausewitz was dead on the money.

    It did not help that we had Democrats siding with the enemy... You traitors.
    Voting to send troops to war for political expediency and then stabbing them in the back when they need our total support.
    And that relates to the issue how?

    I know, it doesn't.

    One has to wonder how many people actually consider you worthy of being a discussion partner.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    A socialist is a person subsribing to the evil doctrine of "from each according to his means, to each according to how many will vote for me"....er..."...to each according to HIS needs, not the politician's".
    lol. At this point, the only person worth discussing Socialism with is Rathi who understands it. Everyone else doesn't know squat.

    Obama with his socialist tax plans and his socialist spending plans and his socialized medicine plans is as close to a pure ivory tower Hahvahd socialist as you can find.
    Do you know who Marx is? Perhaps you should read his work before posting again.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    and you call yourself a "centrist"

    the fact that you consider that strange demonstrates just how marginilized and irrelevant your ideology has become.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The definition of socialism is certainly relevant, especially since Republicans have decided to misuse the term. The Founders not only supported government intervention, they started it, by placing the government in charge of social services including the Post Office, road system and public libraries. The administration is not trying to practice Communism, just trying to fix the incredible mess left over by conservative Republicans. Why don't you try to help, instead of trying to manufacture bogie men?
    The only way things get solved is when government stays out of the problem.

    Learn your histoire.

    The current Mess was largely created by government intervention. Trying to use banks as social programs. Bush and McCain tried to get accountability for these democrat money machines, but during the hearings about it the Dems claimes R's were trying to upset the apple cart.

    So, grow up and take responsibility for your misdeeds.

    To do so you must first honestly identify what they are and their root cause.

    Until that time comes, where ignorance replaces reality, you will continue to walk in the Valley of Darkness.

    Yet Zimmer remains silent. If I called you a Commie(which I did) and you felt that it was not appropriate, you would ask me to explain why I called you that. Then imagine if I just blew you off and kept calling you a Commie.
    As The Good Rev noted, I have repeatedly said... apply any definition of socialism you like.

    The door is wide open.

    I find it utterly hilarious that so many play like oblivious children about the definition of socialism.

    I know why this game is played with verve.
    With Gusto.

    It is fun to watch folks slither about, looking for dark corners to hide from The Lamp that identifies their socialist beliefs/leanings.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    1) You've been reported for a rules violation one word into your reply.
    2) You reply doesn't address anything you quote. Instead of actually defining it you, use personal insults.
    I noticed.
    I could have danced around and brought Oblivious Child to its logical conclusion but I prefer brevity.
    Penalty minutes accepted.

    Do you feel good?



    So all of the Republicans who voted for TARP and the Republican administration who created it are liberals?
    They are not Conservatives. That the Dems in Congress were hot for it... well, that's socialist intervention.

    I actually agree with that, but let's see how hyperpartisan you can get.
    LOL.
    I'm a conservative.
    I am partisan.

    BUT... if I do not accept socialism on any level... then I am hyperpartisan?
    I have to accept socialism some of the time to show what a nice lad I can be?

    Only to a lib who sees government intervention into the market as a necessity.


    Conservatives in Europe have supported fee in tariff systems which have chosen winners in renewable over oil. France's conservatives have long sponsored the choosing of nuclear power through government subsidiaries.
    Maximus or PeteEU came out and just about perfectly explained/compared the parties in the US and EU.

    There are virtually no conservatives of the American cut.
    I know... believe me.


    I'm not sure who's more partisan, you or TD. Now, if you could back that claim up, you wouldn't. But you can't, and you won't. I caught Vicco lying about the same thing. He refused to admit he was wrong.
    Context? I don't know what you're referencing.

    See, you know precisely where I stand or could almost predict where I would stand on many issues.

    Too bad we do not have a President of the Democrat party and a Democrat party that let the nation know what they have in store for us.
    Instead they lie and deceive.
    They have to because socialism doesn't win elections.
    It's why Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy and Kerry went into hiding during the last midterms... and why they ran Blue Dogs.





    Perfect? A 5 year old with a slide ruler and the internet could have planned better.

    He wasn't. Clausewitz was dead on the money.
    Pissing on our generals again.
    They marched into Baghdad at a sprint.
    The secured oil fields, got the airport.

    What did Clausewitz say about battle plans?


    And that relates to the issue how?
    I know, it doesn't.
    Tough time connecting obvious dots?
    You tell me I am hyperpartisan for creating a post about Obama thinking about a question from reporters about his socialist core.

    Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    The context?

    I referenced this to what YOU folks have done.
    Your folks voting record for the war and behavior during the war.
    The latter was traitorous.

    Putting party power before national security.

    With such posts you reveal a certain penchant for being Oblivious to facts and factoids. It is child like.

    Doing so does not let us solve problems, and believe me... you Dems are the problem.


    One has to wonder how many people actually consider you worthy of being a discussion partner.
    I don't know, but your constant protestations tells me I'm on the right path.
    Last edited by zimmer; 03-14-09 at 06:00 AM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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